She tried everything. Conversations at home in the car ride too, and from games. Brought in her high school coach, more private training lessons, and still her daughter was losing love for a sport that she had given everything to nothing seemed to be landing. And if this sounds familiar, I'm gonna tell her story in a second, but if I haven't met you, I'm Coach Bree, a mental performance coach for girl athletes and the founder of the elite competitor. I pulled Colleen into a live panel during our what say challenge recently, because her story is one that I want every sports mom. To hear, and I want you to hear it directly from her. So in this conversation, Colleen gets real about what was happening with her 14-year-old daughter, Lily before they joined our mental training program, the elite mental game. Um, they were in a new club, a first time coach, too many setters. Um, a girl who used to love volleyball was now dreading practice. She's gonna share what shifted in just two weeks after joining the program, what she's had to change about her own behavior and interactions with Lily a, the sidelines and the one. Questions she started asking Lily, that completely changed how they communicate. So if you feel like everything that you're saying to your athlete daughter is making things worse, or maybe she is stuck in the spot where she's talking about wanting to quit or dreading practice, but you know she still has that spark and that love for her sport, then this one is for you. I really hope you enjoyed this conversation with Colleen as much as I enjoyed interviewing her. So today is pretty special. I have Colleen here and she's gonna be introducing herself. In a second, we were just chatting offline about how she came to one of these like panel interviews right before she jumped into the program and how like sometimes it's just helpful to hear from other. Parents who have been there, like either in your spot, um, joining the program, what it, what it's really like. So I'm gonna stop talking'cause I've talked already too much. So, um, Colleen, thank you for being here. Will you introduce yourself, um, you know, the age of your daughter, what sports she plays? We'll start there. Okay. Hi, I am Colleen and um, my daughter is Lily and she is 14 years old and she plays volleyball. She plays, um, volleyball club level as well as high school level. And she's in ninth grade. So ninth grade. Okay. Uh, a young ninth grader, she's 14. I was just thinking that. I was like, oh, she's already in high school. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Colleen, actually, Colleen and Lily joined the program not too long ago. Um, so I'm gonna have you take yourself back like not too long, um, to kinda where you were before joining the program. What were you. What was going on? What was going on in your household? Uh, we were having a lot of struggles, and I say that as for volleyball. Um, she, uh, so with, usually with the volleyball season, um, high school, we'll go from training in the summertime and then actually when school starts in August. They go from August to October, November, depending on how long your season goes. And then for club level, you uh, try out in July and then you start to train with your group of girls for regional tournaments, and they train from October to May. Um, but their first tournament isn't till January. So she basically, you know, like she was done the level with the high school and she ended up going, you know, club level. Um, when you do club level, uh, we were, we were doing a five Gwinnett, we're in Georgia. Mm-hmm. And, um. One thing with the club is that they bring in a completely different team every single time, whatever your age group is, and they have different tiers, you know, like 14 1, 14 2, 14 3. And the higher you are on the tier 14 one, the better the skill level you are, um, to go on. And you can either do regionals or, uh, nationals. We chose for regionals, and she wasn't regionals last year as well. So, um, she also, you also get a new coach. Well, the coach, um, is her first time coaching and she's 18 years old, and this was the first time that we're dealing with, um, someone extremely young and mm-hmm. I don't wanna say that she's uneducated because I myself am not a coach at all. But from my understanding, she's a senior in high school and she, you know, she doesn't wanna play anymore, but she wants to coach and what a great way for the club to bring her in to show. Mm-hmm. Showcase what she has. So Lily was trying to get coaching from her. Hmm. As well as, you know, meshing with a new team, you know, new girls, new personalities, um, and her team was the only team that, uh, my daughter's a setter, so her team was the only team that had three setters. And of course as soon as she got on the team, she was like three setters. You know, like, where am I gonna play out in this? Because usually it's like one or two. And she was like, this is just too many setters. So obviously as soon as she got to that, you know, you're on this team, she, she was already stressing out, you know, is this coach experienced? Is, you know, where am I gonna play? Where am I? And there were all of these things that were just swirling around in her that was affecting her game. It was affecting. You know, the way she looked, the way, the way she had the outlook, you know, of volleyball anymore, she used to love the sport. Would you know, I'm going to volleyball today to, huh? Yeah, I'm going and I'm like, Hmm, something's not right. And, you know, her coach is, is hard on her, um, and is a rather a perfectionist. Mm-hmm. And was drilling down into, you know, like, oh, you're doing this wrong, you're doing this wrong. And she felt like she was always. Being soloed out. Well that over a three month period, October, November, December, and again, they have, they start their tournaments in January, you know, and not quite knowing where she was gonna play or when she was gonna play.'cause she's always a starter and she was basically taking a back seat too. You know? Mm-hmm. And she's like, this isn't for me. This isn't, and I'm like, oh my gosh, if this coach is gonna, or bring out your hate for the sport, something's wrong. You know? Yeah. Or if it's the girls on your team, you know, there were a lot of factors. Um, so I saw your ad on Facebook. I think it was either Facebook or Instagram. And I always get, because I follow a lot of volleyball coaches and just programs, um, I of course you came up, you know, I'm sure you have Oh, that's good. In the back. Um, and we even, uh, I, you know, I saw you and I was like, oh, I'm just gonna save it. I'm gonna save it and I'm gonna come back to it. Mm-hmm. Um, and I did that for a while. And then finally it got to the point where. Lily was just losing the love out of the sport. Mm-hmm. And I was like, something has to change. We went through countless conversations, you know, here, come to find out going through your program, we weren't saying the right things. You know, you try to cheer'em up. Um, we even had a one-on-one, you know, I called her coach from high school and I was like, can you just talk to her? Yeah. You know, a parent can only go so far. Yeah. With conversations to try to help your child get better. Um, and she had a one-on-one with her high school coach, and I was like, what'd your high school coach say? Oh, she told me this, this, and this. And I was thinking in my head, I didn't say it, but I was like, Hmm. Weird.'cause I said the same things to you, but Right. That always happens. Yeah. It's like, oh, okay. But you know, she took her advice, which Okay. However she gets it, but she gets it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. However you get it. Um. Mm-hmm. And, you know, the coach was very happy to sit down with her. Um. And then, uh, we also do, uh, private trainings too. Mm-hmm. And then I sat down with her private coach and I was like, listen, this is what this coach is. Is doing to my girl. Like, and I can't just blame it on the coach'cause you know, I don't want it to, to backlash like that. But there were a lot of factors. And so she has all these influences, but she was still struggling just mentally with her team, you know, not physically, just mentally with her coach, mentally at home, just trying to get back in that grind. And you know, I said to her, I was like, well, you know, how about we go on the kickoff call? Mm-hmm. And just see what it's like. Yeah. And then, you know, I did check in with Lily last night and I was like, how did I introduce this program to you? And she was like, oh, I didn't have a choice. Oh, well, you know, sometimes that works that way. Yeah. You're just at that level where you, you're, you've tried everything and you're like, something has to change. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So you got to that point, you heard about it, you were like, okay, Lily, we're just gonna try this. Yeah. Can you take me through the next steps? Like how did it get from like an idea of this is something that we might, we are going to try out to help to like, okay, we're in Like how did you get her bought in? Things like that. I know the kickoff call probably helped with that. The kickoff call definitely helped with it. Mm-hmm. Um. We were having some serious conversations and it was like, if you want to stay on this team, because she was even thinking about, oh, can I, can we ask to move up? Can we ask to be on a different team? And I'm like, no, that's not how it works. Like you can't, you can't do that. Like you made a commitment to this team. You're gonna have to find out a way to maneuver around. Your roadblocks. And if it's having someone come in from the outside and, you know, worst case scenario, you know, it doesn't work, but it at least you tried something. You know? So that was kind of the way the, the, the kickoff call went for us. I was like, I wasn't, I could say that I didn't give her a choice, but I was like, if this woman you, if she's gonna help me. Better support my child, and if she's gonna help you and the rest of her people gonna help you be a better athlete, then hands down, we're gonna do it. Because we were, again, we were on that fine, that fine string of everything is just gonna fall apart and she's never gonna love volleyball again. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. And I wasn't gonna let that happen because I know that she loves it. Yeah. I, I love that you said that because I mean, those of you that know my story too, and Christina, we just released a podcast last week, kind of, you know, with some background, like kind of a vulnerable episode of my co-founder and I in our sports story and how it's like we didn't, we didn't stop playing. Because we didn't stop loving the sport, you know? It was for these reasons that were preventable, you know, like not knowing how to handle a coach that maybe is inexperienced or not the one that we would want. That's not, that was my reason. But like getting burned out, you know, like mental, all of these things that are like, oh my gosh, this is so preventable. And a lot of athletes are leaving the sport, a lot of girl athletes because of those things. And that's kind of like where you found your daughter and she's like, she loves volleyball. But like all this other stuff is gonna prevent her from continuing something that she loves and is good at. So, and as a parent, you wanna fix things. That's the whole thing. Mm-hmm. Is that we, we tried, we tried talking, we've tried, you know, giving her to other, you know, talking with her co her private coaches talking with her high school coach. Mm-hmm. We tried these different avenues and it was like nothing was working. Yeah. Okay. So, um, you both jump in. Mm-hmm. Get started. Um, what did you start to notice with Lily? Like, what did she do? What did you notice? Um, I would say probably. About two weeks in. So we haven't been in the program that long. We're still going through it. Yeah. Um, I think mid-January I was on a kickoff call with all the, the moms like, so her and I, Lily and I did the kickoff call and then I joined the, you know, there was up like a four pan. Three, three moms were on the panel. Three or four moms were on the panel in January. And then right after that I brought the program, I was sold on it. I was like, alright, we're jumping in. Um. But, uh, it was probably about two weeks in. So every Sunday we make it a pact, like from seven to eight, we're gonna sit down together, have our you and me time, and she's gonna go through her end of the program and I'm gonna go through my end of the program and. About two weeks. Um, I'm, I'm the mom to that. I'm the mom that's at every practice. I absolutely love to watch her and her teammates play. I am, you know, the mom that'll drive people home. I'm also the mom, well, I should say was the mom. That is very vocal on the sidelines. Mm-hmm. And, um, and I noticed that I said was not saying that you still can't be vocal. Absolutely. But you absolutely have to change your vernacular and mm-hmm. That's what I learned from this program. But about two weeks in, she started to, I started to see her smile again at practice. She wasn't, you know, rolling your eyes or when the coach corrected her, she wasn't, you know, huffing and puffing. Um, or, you know, if she was. If she was, she started to mesh better with her teammates, you know? Mm-hmm. Starting, even though she was already with them for four months, she started to talk to them more. Mm-hmm. And be happy Lily. Um, and. Uh, and even my husband, my husband came to one of the, um, practices and he was just like, wow. It really looked like she had fun out there. I was like, hello? Yes, something's happening. I was like, I think it's the program. Oh my gosh. I love that. I love it. So did she share with you, like what was, I mean, I know how the program is structured, obviously, so I, I can know kind of what skills she was learning, but did she share with you? Anything around the skills that she was starting to learn or implement or maybe even from one of the calls or kinda what was going on with her? Yeah, so the first one that, um, is in the program is the snap snapback routine. Mm-hmm. And, um, she still struggles with that every now and again. And, and I'm also a part of the one-on-ones at. You know, for the three months, I also do that as well. Yeah. You know, I figure if I'm diving in, I'm going in deep uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. All in, and I'm taking everyone with me. Yeah. Um, but, uh, she, she was struggling with the snapback routine and she does still do it to this day. Um. She was even coming to me the first, the first two weeks, and she would be like, it's not working. It's not working. And I'm like, wait a minute. So let's break this down. Like, when are you using it? How are you using it? Are you, you know, maybe you just haven't found that rhythm yet. Maybe you're doing something and your body's telling you. No, I don't wanna do this. I, I wanna use this word instead. So she was going through like three words and just didn't quite find her word yet. You know, or her, her physical touch that she needed, you know, whether it's high fiving a teammate, she just, she was trying all these different things and I'm like, no, you got to do one. Find out what it is. Mm-hmm. And continue to do it. And mentally train yourself to. To get out of the rut, and I think that she was just using it. All the time, and I'm like, that's not how that works. Yeah, I love that in the training, I actually tell athletes the word that you use for your snapback routine is one that you're not married to. You're, you're dating it so you can, you can change it. That's a life lesson too. You know, you don't, you can, you can try something new and see how that works and yeah. So hopefully she's kinda getting used to. The situations that it will actually benefit her in and actually work. So that's That's great. So you started to kind of see some changes in her as she's going through the program and you guys are still actively going through it, which I think is Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What did you start to change and notice in yourself? When you started, I laugh at that. Um, because like I had said, like, I am that parent or was that parent on the sideline that was animated? You know, like I talk with my hands, I use my facial expressions to tell you what I think or what I feel. And I wa I was that mom on the sideline. Rolling your eyes. Hands up in the air, hands on the head, head down. Get up, walk around. Um. That was one of the biggest things to know as a parent, that that's not what your kid wants to see. Mm-hmm. Even though you have those emotions inside, because you, by doing what you're doing on the sideline, you are actually putting more stress on your athlete when they're on the court because they already have enough stress just. Making sure that they can physically do the sport. Making sure, you know, they keep their team together. And then having a parent on the sideline add to that, that just kind of put it over the top to where when we did have our next tournament, um, I basically sat down with Lily and I said, I know I do these things, you know, I do these things. Mm-hmm. I didn't know that what I was doing was putting more pressure on you or embarrassing you. Well, I knew it was embarrassing her, but you know, like as parents, we embarrass our kids anyway. Right? Um, but I, you know, like what is acceptable? Like to you? Like, what do you wanna see? What can I do? What can I do? Um, you know, and she was just like. I was like, can I just wear, I said to her, I said, can I just wear a turtleneck and put it up over my face? You know?'cause you get nervous for your kids out there. And, and she was like, no, I can still see your eyes. And I'm like, oh man, I can't do anything right. Just wear a mask, Colleen. Just put a mask. And then I did tell her that. I said, well, I'm just gonna wear a paper bag and I'm gonna cut eye holes out. And then, then I said, well, what if I take one of those? What if I get those? Like, uh, those. Photo props and put'em up to my mouth, like I'm smiling. And she was like, why can't you just smile, you know, while I'm out there. Just, she was like, you know, you can cheer me, but, you know, don't roll your eyes. Don't get up and walk away. Don't, you know, put your head, you know, put your head down like, I, I need you. Mm-hmm. You know? So when the next tournament came, like I told her, I said, I am just going to, every time you look at me. I'm just gonna beam a smile and, and I didn't realize how many times she looked at us, like looked at me and my husband. It was at least throughout the whole day. So we had a Saturday and Sunday tournament. It was easily a hundred times. Oh wow. Mm-hmm. And when you realize that you're looking at your kid that much mm-hmm. To see them looking at you. It kind of like clicked as something in my head, like, holy cow. All these times where I was just like, eye roll here. Or puffing. And puffing. Like she saw that she, mm-hmm. She saw that over a hun, I'm just gonna assume it was a hundred times. Every weekend when we're at TOR tournaments, when I was like, I can't even imagine what she was feeling out on the court. Mm-hmm. Just from our reaction. Yeah. Was crazy. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And I love though that you had the humility to realize that like you could change your approach and that's going to impact her confidence and how she plays, because a lot of parents are like, no, I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing, and she needs to figure it out. But you were open enough, enough to be like, I can make some changes too, which is great. Mm-hmm. We even, we even, uh, went over like her whole,'cause she went through a post pre routine and post routine mm-hmm. With the program. And I'm like, well, I don't wanna mess up, I don't wanna mess up your, uh, your pre routine. And I know that when you get in the car and we have an hour to drive to a tournament. You have your headphones on, and I know a lot of times we ask you questions or like, and when I ask you questions in the car, am I, am I making you mad because you're, you need to be in your flow. Like, I wanna know what I'm doing. To not put you out of your head space for you to get in your head space. Mm-hmm. So she was like, no, when I'm in the car, you know, I don't care that you, that you talk, I don't care. You know, if you interrupt the music, I don't care. You know, so it's just these little things. It's like, don't be afraid to ask your child, like, what do you need from me? Or what am I doing wrong? Um, and that was one of the things that the program has done. It's like, it's. Broken down some barriers and some walls to where mm-hmm. It just makes it easier to talk to your child about, you know, just how you should be that supportive parent and know how you should maintain your lane. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That actually segues into my next question is, you've already shed some light on it, but how has this impacted your relationship with Lily? Oh, completely positive. I mean, we've always had a great relationship. Mm-hmm. Um. But I think the expectations are better too. Um, that we set for one another, you know, and there's definite boundaries that she, she knows to call me out on, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, Hey, I didn't like it when you did this, or, Hey, you know, I'm glad you were here for this. Uh, you know, so it, it just has opened up communication more. Yeah. Yeah. And that's huge, especially with the teenager. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Um, but even with her, um, with the last tournament, um, the one thing that I noticed with her, um, was that. They never, they meaning the girls on the team, they're, they're not allowed to look at the parents. They're not allowed to, like, during their sessions or when they don't have a game, they're not allowed to come sit with us or anything like that. Mm-hmm. And during her last tournament, she came over, my husband and I were sitting there and she came over and we had a. Something in between us. I think it was a, a shirt or a jacket or something. And she came up and she was moving everything. And I was like, what whatcha doing? And, and she was like, I'm sitting down. And I was like, huh, wait, what? You wanna sit with us? You know? It was like, oh, you never ever sit with us. Like, what? Are you sure? And I asked her, I said, are you sure? Yeah. She said, yeah. And then I looked at the other mom and I was like, Hey, what? She and I just enjoyed it. I was like, Hey, you did great. You're awesome. Your serves were looking good. You're look at that power. Yeah, a couple of'em went out, but you know, just the fact that she kind of wanted to be around us was really nice. Yeah, that's huge. Yeah. Oh my gosh, love. And that like opens the door like for, you know, it's not that you can't, we talk about this in the program, ever give feedback to your kid about their performance and things like that. But, um, it's a lot easier when you have that connection first and you have established boundaries and all of those things. It's just gonna land a lot better. So. Um, now you, you shared a win in the group. I mean, that, that win that you shared right now was in, in the group, but you also mentioned that Lily was voted team captain. Can you tell me about that? She was, so the, uh, the coaches voted, um, they have a coaches. Captain and then they had a vote on the team captain. And I asked her, I said, did you put your name in the hat for that? And she said, no. But it doesn't surprise me that she's not team captain because she has one of the best court IQs that you can imagine. Um, when it comes to this sport, I, you know, she knows every rotation. There's people on her team that are experienced, and then there's people on her team that have never played before. Yeah. And that's kind of like the mix that you get when you're in club level, when you just do regionals. Now, if you do nationals, that's. You know, they're a little more fine tuned and not so many people not knowing what to do. But she's out there and she's like, you're, you're off rotation. You need to move here, and you need to move here. Mm-hmm. So they need her on the court. Um, and it also doesn't surprise me too, that she was voted team captain because she also, um, will. Tell the coach how she feels and what she's feeling? Um, to a certain degree. Yeah. Um, she basically had to, even though she's a setter in heart and on her high school team, and because there's three setters on this team, she had to go and reinvent a position for herself just so she could play. Mm-hmm. And she went to the coach and she was like, Hey, I'm noticing that we need a back row. Yes. I still wanna set. Um, and I still wanna be part of the team. I wanna be on the floor. I wanna serve too. So let's find a position for me. And they ended up making her, you know, um, all around right side hit her. So she plays back row. She plays front row. She is the person if the, if the setter can't get to the ball, she's the next one in line to offer the ball up as a setter. Back up and then she gets to serve. So she's, and I told her, I was like, if you, you know, if you want this, you're gonna have to go in there and take it, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, and when she went to the coach and she was like, I wanna do this, and they were like, really? She was like, yes, I wanna play, this is how much I love this sport. Yeah. Um, so yeah. Oh, that's so awesome. I love that she sounds like she does a good job of advocating for herself, which is a skill also. Yeah. That's awesome. Um, okay. And moms that are on, you can totally ask questions in the chat if you have something for Colleen or for me. But, um, what was your, what would you say your favorite part of the program has been, either for Lily. And the tools that she's learning and or for you, Lily likes the, um, she likes the snapback again. Mm-hmm. She, she struggles with it every now and again and really feeling like where it's necessary for her. Um, but I knew, but I do know the snapback does work for lots of athletes. She actually prefers the 3, 2, 1. Brave. Oh yeah. Um, because she needs. I think because it's a longer process. Mm-hmm. And I think she stays in her funk longer when she, she misses something or doesn't get her serve over or whatever. And I think the, the 3, 2, 1 briefs helps her because it's a longer process. You know, you're, you're talking about affirmations and then you add your snapback routine with it. Mm-hmm. Um, for me as a parent, um, the, the one-liners I would say are. Great. And the one-liners would be, you know, like, Hey, I noticed that Uhhuh, you did this tonight. Can you tell me a little bit more about that? Like, why did you do that? Instead of saying, you know, like, you should be doing this as a parent, you know? Mm-hmm. Because you, you're always like this. Um, um, and your positive innate quality is your pi, your PI IQs. Yeah. Those are right. I love them. I love the little, the nuggets that you've sprinkled everywhere to even, um, just recently, um, I used, uh, and Lily was just totally floored with this one, where she came up and it was a problem with, uh, volleyball. And I was like, whoa, whoa. I said, do you want me to listen or do you want me to help you find a solution? And she was like, well, that's so great. It was just the way you break. Because I need to know where I, where I, where I'm gonna go as a parent, because if not, I'm just gonna insert the The parent. Yeah. We're gonna solve your problem. Yeah. You know?'cause that's what we do. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's, that's really great. And then for those that are wondering what 3, 2, 1, brave is that Lily's doing? So this is what they learn in phase two. This is their daily mindset routine that we recommend. They do it on days, they're practicing and competing, and so. They go through a process where they write down their three affirmations, and these are found in that phase as well. So they, you know, write down and explore what they want as an athlete. I take'em through like a little exercise, they pull out three affirmations and make them positive, first person, present tense.'cause there's a lot of research around your brain and having, see, well, seeing the thing that you want in real time versus something that's super far away. So we, they get clear on what they want, what their affirmations are. Write'em down every day. We even have athletes, like, we recommend you make little sticky notes around your room and things like that. If any of you saw, um, the, uh, the Olympics, McKayla Chiffon, I, I might not be pronouncing her name correctly, but she just posted something about her affirmation, sticky notes, and I was like, what? There we go. So, you know, our brain's always listening and then it is two minutes of journaling so they can kind of get out anything that's on their brain. One piece of gratitude because there's a lot of research around gratitude and how that helps you show up differently in your life, in your sport. And then one piece of evidence that one of those affirmations is coming true. So it's rewiring their brain literally every day to find evidence that they are getting closer to their goals, which is going to actually have them create more evidence for that. Um, and then Brave is a visualization. So it's a combination of some breath work, their reset word, they visualize their affirmations, the whole routine. Takes like seven minutes maybe, maybe a little longer depending on how long, like they like to journal and things like that. But it is a really supportive and grounding routine. And I tell athletes like, if you don't have any time, just do your 3, 2, 1 brave. Like that is enough to actually give you some results in your sport or in that practice or in that game you're about to go into. So. Yeah. Well, Colleen, I am wrapping up on the questions that I have for you. So, um, little is there anything though that I like, haven't asked or mentioned that you think would be worth having the other parents here? Um, oh gosh. I know. I would just say do it. I mean, the program really teaches you. You as a parent, you, you think you're saying the right things and mm-hmm. And you are, but you're saying'em at the wrong times. Mm, mm-hmm. Um, and yes, you wanna keep everything positive, but. You need to have your athlete feel what they feel. Um, and you know, like even when, um, our last tournament, my hu when my husband, they, the girls were just getting creamed and mm-hmm. It just seemed like everybody was giving up, you know, and they ended up losing both sets. So my husband, I looked at him and I was like, don't say'cause it was their very last game in the tournament. I was like, don't say she did a good job. And he was like, what? What are you talking about? And I was like, just don't say it because she understands that she did a good job on the. On the winning, and that's kind of where she shows the value in her as being an athlete and her skill set. Mm-hmm. But when they're losing, they're trying their hardest and she knows that she didn't do good as a whole, as a team. And when you tell her that she did good, you know, it's kind of a double-edged sword. Like, and I was like, just ask her if she wants to go get ice cream. And he's just like, okay, whatever. And then the following day he had said something where I was like, you know, they were, they were winning and they were doing really good and, and I was like, Hey, make sure you told her she does, she does a good job when she comes over. And he was like. Well, whatcha talking about yesterday? You said I couldn't say that and I was like, you were gonna say it at the wrong time. You can't say it when she's down. You gotta say it. It when she's on the high, you know? Right. He's like, oh, I gotta go, you know?'cause he's not going through the program yet. I told him, I said, let me go through it first. And he was like, I don't know what to say. I was like, just tell her she did a good job. Oh my gosh. Just say it when you need, you know? So it's like learning when is the right time to say certain things and when it's the time to listen. Um, like that's the biggest takeaway and yeah, the price, you know, it could be. Something that a lot of people are chewing on as well. Yeah, I basically, so for private lessons we do, I think it's, you know, a couple hundred, I think it's like 300 for, you know, so many sessions. And then I said to myself, well how about I take, I'm gonna spend that money anyway on something for her. So how about I take. Two sessions out of my budget, you know, from a summer session and just apply it to here for the mental game. But the mental game is going to continue throughout her entire career for as long as she does this. It's not, this isn't a one and done where a private lesson is a one and. You know, so having that just mindset of, okay, where can, where can this be valuable? This is gonna be valuable. Whether she's in a sport, whether she is in school, um, whether, you know, she does it with her volunteer volunteering and interviewing or anything like that. Um, going to college, like she could take this, you know, part of mental game. It's not just for athletics. Yeah. Oh, I love that you said that.'cause it goes well, well beyond athletics. Um, and yes, the tools are available to her literally as long as she plays. But this, this goes beyond and yeah. Um, I guess one thing I forgot to ask. Are you, is she utilizing the live support? Is she coming to the calls and doing the texting? She is, and that's one thing that she does like, mm-hmm. Um, she does like the, the two monthly calls. Um, she talks about the peer,'cause usually the first one of the month is the, the peer one, you and your peers. Mm-hmm. Kind of everyone in the program at that time. And then the second live call is, um, I think she's been on two of'em so far since we've been in the program. The one was the nutritionist. Um, and the other one where she really liked, uh, was, um, the sports medicine doctor with the ACL. So every morning she gets up and she rotates her ACL because that's the biggest injury part of the body that gets, that can get hurt or get destroyed. And she's like, I don't want any of that to happen. So I've learned these, you know, lesson, you know, these, uh, these tools to, to stretch this, uh, ACL so it doesn't get hurt and you know it, but it's. Coming again, it's coming from a, an outsider. It's not coming from. Inside your home. And also, yeah, because if seems like everything's valid and true on the outside as opposed to what's in your house, I know. Yeah.'cause if you were like, you need to stretch your ankles and do your ACL rotations, but no, it came from this, you get an eye roll. Yeah. Somebody else is saying it to you. You're like, yay. Yes, yes. This PT that knows what she's talking about. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Uh, well, Colleen, this has been awesome. I really appreciate you sharing just so generously about your experience and, um, so happy to have you both in the program, you and Lily. It's been, it's been great, and I just, I know that you're not very far in, so thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective. Yeah, thank you. Thank you again, Colleen. It has been such a joy talking with you. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Bye everyone.