All right guys. I'm excited for today's episode because our guest is genuinely one of my favorite people. She's amazing. I mean, we've been building our businesses sort of side by side. We've been in masterminds together. Her team at Workplace Branding actually shoots our brand photos. So if you have ever seen any of our content out there that, okay, those photos are gorgeous. Well, that's lyrics team. So we just love her. Um, but be beyond all of that. Here's the thing. Lyric has a sports story and I knew the second that I heard it, it needed to be on this show and a part of this series and these episodes that we're doing to highlight the stories of athletes. She is the co-founder of Work Play Branding, a multimillion dollar media company, clients showing up in target billboards in Times Square, Oprah's favorite things like I had to double check. I'm like, is this legit? And it is. But before all of that, she was a division one soccer player at Florida International University. What happened at the end of her career is exactly the kind of thing we need to talk about here. So Lyric, hi, I'm so glad that you're here. Hi guys. I'm so excited you guys invited me on. This is not my usual conversation, so I'm so excited. We were both, I mean, I talk about my story quite frequently because of, you know, I'm like the face and everything, but Christina got to share hers last time and it was like, we don't really talk about this very often. No, it was uncomfortable, but yeah. But Christina, I didn't even tell you this. We got an email from a mom, um, just yesterday and she was like, I listened to your episode about you and your co-founder quitting. Two times and she's like, this is the exact situation that my daughter is in and I'm gonna share this episode with her because I think she's at the same exact crossroads. So even just our stories have already made a difference. So hopefully this gives us encouragement to keep talking about this. So, um, lyric, let's hear yours. Take us back. Um, when you were growing up playing soccer, what did that feel like? Like who were you as a player? Oh my gosh. I grew up playing soccer my entire childhood. Basically, I think I was three when my parents put me into like a soccer like program at the YMCA. And I just like from that moment on, it was all about soccer and so I don't know what it was if I like. Think back to it. Um, it was just, it just clicked for me. I loved it. And I think it just came down to that. And even when I had friends growing up that played soccer, some of them would, you know, quit or like just. Be frustrated with it or just think of it as a chore. And I just never thought of it like that. It was just such an outlet for me to be who I wanted to be. I was competitive and I just love to win. And I think that also translates now into business. But, um, I don't know what it was about it'cause I started so young, but I just know, looking back, I always loved it. I never thought of it like a chore. I always thought about it from the lens of like, wow, I get to do this and this is so much fun. That is, that's awesome to hear. I was always kinda wondering that because I knew, I knew you loved soccer. We've talked about it before, but I wasn't sure if you always loved soccer or, and it was genuinely like not a ton of pressure, it was just fun, or was there a point where it kind of switched and it was a lot of pressure or a lot of stress and that actually made it less enjoyable. Was there a moment like that? Yeah, I mean, I think throughout, uh, growing up there comes a point when soccer and sports in general, um, now becomes about like, are you going to play in college or are you going to make this team? I think it was, um, oh gosh, I have to like go back into my memory. I think it was when I was in fourth grade. That's when they started to create these like more like club teams. Like you could start playing club and you try out for the team and then you make it. Some people don't. And I think that's that first kind of, um, point of. Maybe rejection for some people. For me, as soon as I, I, I didn't even realize that I was like trying out or like what that was. I just loved it. And I was just playing like, you know, rec soccer and I tried out and the coach was like, oh my God, like who is this girl? You're on the team like the first night. And so I never felt that type of rejection, but that was the first time where it was like, oh, there's people that don't make it. And then this, this. Comes up again around like end of middle school when you then transition into college, uh, soccer. And like you've got, you've got coaches from college teams on the sidelines watching you. And like some coaches come for certain players and not others. And, and I think it breeds this, uh. Um, this environment where it's like, okay, well why is that coach coming for this person? And that's a school I really like and whatnot. And so I think throughout that time, I, I think I was always really good at soccer and so I never, I don't think I felt the brunt of that. Too much. Um, but I do remember just feeling this intense pressure, um, from like end of middle school all the way up until high school, all the way through high school actually. Um, because again, you're now. Playing for performance and for money. Actually like to go to these colleges and so any kind of mess up is now like, oh my gosh, like did that affect something that I really want or getting on a certain team. Also, during that time, you're playing and getting invited to be on regional teams, youth, national teams, and like you, it's like such a weird environment for that and so I think during that time. Was just like a lot of pressure to be perfect. And so it wasn't so much about like, okay, this is fun and games. But to be honest, I kind of, I kind of do like that environment in general, but it does eat at you, I think. Yeah. Yeah, for sure it does. And you mentioned in some of your intake stuff, and I think we've talked about it before, that one of the biggest mental challenges, which makes a lot of sense given the level that you're playing at, was letting go of perfectionism and the pressure to perform flawlessly. And I know that that for a lot of athletes. In our world, that's what they're feeling too. The better that they get. It's like a double edged sword. Sword. It's like, I'm getting better. I'm getting like what I want, but now I'm feeling immense pressure that I have to be perfect. And it's hard because the more I grip for perfection, the harder it is to just go for it. So I'm curious what that actually looked like for you in your sport. Yeah, totally. Well, I think I would just get in my head like, okay, there's this big game and I've gotta. Do well.'cause I know that my college coach, for example, that I've already verbally committed is watching me. And it's like that, it's just a verbal commitment. They could pull that away at any time. Right. And so it, I think that's where it kind of became this mental game for me of like, okay, you have to. Quiet down that voice in your head and just play. Um, and again, it's like you're fighting against, okay, this is just fun and this is really competitive, and then this is a job. Um, when you're not getting paid to do this and you're still in high school. Um, in college, that's a completely different story. But, um, I, I do think there is this level of, um, I've gotta perform not just. For my team, but even like the parents, right? I think sometimes people don't realize that. The kids actually, they understand that there's this social group with the parents and like the parents are all having, you know, these, um, I don't know, conversations with each other. And it's almost like you can feel that the parents kind of take on the identity of the kids in a way. And so you're not just performing for, like I said. College coaches, your teammates, your coach, you're now performing for parents and like what that looks like for them, which is a very interesting dynamic that, I don't know. I definitely picked up on it, but I don't know if people even realize that that's what's happening as well. Yeah. Gosh, I still remember that. Um, I'm curious about this. Did anyone ever name it for you? Like did they say, Hey, this is the mental side of your game and here's how you work on it? Or did you just kind of like gain that awareness on your own white knuckle through it? Like what was the conversation going on around you? Yeah, there was none of that in, um, like growing up in, in college. There was, because they understand that your mental game is so important. And I think also because there's money behind it, right? Like if the team doesn't perform, the coach gets fired. So there's, there's a lot of things at play. And you're also. Technically getting paid to play because they're paying for your school. And so I think during that time, yes, there was so much mental education around how you visualize, how you stay gritty, how you stay mentally in it. But growing up there wasn't any of that. Um, in college, there definitely was, and I'm trying to think back to like. What that was named, but it was more so themes around how to prepare mentally, I would say. Yeah. Yeah, that's kinda what I remember too in college. Um, but that, that's the thing in high school, nobody really teaches that. Like your coaches expect you to be mentally tough and like get through it, but they don't really have skills to teach it. And then. That ends up being the thing that makes or breaks whether a girl stays in the game. And I'm also curious, um, what do you wish you had back then? Like if there's a skill or a tool or conversation, maybe like when you were in high school that would've been helpful, what would've that been? Um, goodness. Maybe just more people talking about it, right? Like I, mm-hmm. I don't, I, it's so hard to like go backwards, um, and think back to like what my brain was like back then.'cause now in hindsight, I'm like, oh yeah, it would've been great to have like the visualization and like these mental tricks or like this mental toughness. I also think what would be really helpful if I was to like tell myself, Hey, like. This is what you need to do. It's just like a zooming out, like understanding that this is not just like your entire life, it's your entire life right now. It's not your entire life. And I think that that would've allowed me to like relieve the pressure a little bit because at the time I'm like, that's, this is the only thing that matters. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Um, I wanna talk about the moment you actually stepped away. So you did quit your sport. It's a little different than Breeze and my stories where we like quit because we were burnt out and overwhelmed and couldn't handle the pressure. Um, your story's a little different, so you had two ACL tears. You missed two seasons, right? And then you had a choice in your last season in college to come back for a fifth year on your, I think you had a full ride scholarship or start building your business and you decided to go with your business. Right? So what was your thought process? What was going on inside of you? And also maybe share a little bit about how it was to be injured and on the team. Yeah, totally. Oh my gosh. Okay, so let's start with just like being injured. I had never been injured, ever. And in women's soccer, the idea of tearing your ACL, I'm sure it's like this in all women's sports, but the idea of tearing your ACL is a real fear. Like I remember in high school, um, some, some of my friends and teammates. Tore their ACL and they completely missed out on like a college experience because that's when people were getting recruited and like they were out and they missed the window. And so this fear of tearing your ACL is very real. And so I had not been injured ever for at all. Um, and so when it happened, it actually happened in practice and it was. It was like I was going in for a tackle, like any other tackle, and I just knew like I could feel it in my knee when it happened. It was like the most excruciating pain. It was, it was terrible. Anyway. Um, and I got the MRI done and it was a partial tear and so I actually re, they actually recommended, and if anyone is listening, playing college soccer or just a woman in sports, do not rehab. A partially torn ACL learn from me, get the surgery, recover, do the therapy, and then like move on. Um, they actually had me not do surgery, rehab it back and then try and play. And so I. Went through that entire rehab process. I was ready to go and the day before preseason started and my, and again, like it was, I was the strongest I had ever been, but I had a partially torn AC and I was just doing kind of like zigzag warmup. Turns, um, with my friend, uh, just a warmup. Uh, and no one else was on the field there. We weren't even practicing. And I tear it completely again and almost completely blow up my knee. And not even like any kind of physical contact happened. And so it was like, again, I was about to start the season and done. And so that like going through that mentally like, okay, you just rehabbed this all back and now you. Almost blot your knee the day before preseason starts. Like, it's like, it's definitely defeating. Um, because all I wanted to do was play. I just like, I loved it so much and it was such an outlet for me. And so that whole process was so scary. I had never done a surgery before, and so I just had to, I had to do it. Like, I don't, it's, it's hard, but like, when you don't have a choice, you don't really have a choice. So I had to do surgery just even for my own life, like to be able to have a knee. Um, and after that. I had to rehab it. I missed another season and I was a senior and I was just like, at that point I had been so far removed from playing in like the team that actually quitting didn't feel as, um, intense for me because now my identity was no longer wrapped up in being a soccer player anymore. I definitely felt like I was still on the team. I was a part of everything and they forced me to be a part of everything for sure. Um, but I was no longer identifying. As that anymore, and I was growing my business and I was more so identifying there, and I was also like seeing all of my teammates. Prepare to graduate as well. And I was like, I don't know if I wanna stay here without all my friends. Um, and I'm also on this other trajectory and so I've always had really good intuition and I just remember, um, thinking about it. And then my mom, uh, actually totally remember this. My mom is also my co-founder, which is funny, but she called me and, and she was like, what if like. Like, do you want to keep playing? And I was like, low key. No, I was, I just needed permission, I think. Um, and, and having her just like reaffirm that, yeah, that's probably, that's probably a good decision. Um, was, was really helpful. So having that support system around me now, telling my college coach that I was not going to come back was really hard. Um, she was not happy. Yeah, that's actually what I was wondering about as you said this, because typically the adults in the lives of these athletes that are making these decisions have opinions about this stuff. So it sounds like your mom was really supportive and you know, knowing you and knowing like how you make decisions and your intuition. Like she probably was like, yeah, okay, this is like the right thing. But yeah. How was that? How did it land with your coaches, your teammates, maybe other people in your family? Yeah, you know, I, I. Like I said, I think I, I, looking back, I was a very good soccer player and I started from like my freshman year all the way on. And so I, uh, and I was also one of the captains even injured. I was still a captain of the soccer team and so. I knew that a lot was riding on me to come back. Um, and I had a lot of expectations to come back, but I think at the end of the day, I've always been so secure in like, my intuition, my decisions even like choosing what college to go to. Everyone wanted me to go to, um, Colorado College, which is in Colorado Springs. It's in the mountains. Cold, and I'm just not that person. And as soon as I saw Florida International University in Miami, I was like, no, I'm going here and I don't care that this team is on paper, not as good as the other team. And so I, I, I don't know, I've always had this really strong sense of like a North star, what I should do, what's gonna be best for me. And I think when you have that, yeah, those conversations are really hard to have with people who have expectations of you. But. It doesn't, it doesn't really matter, right? Like your life is so long and sports are such a small section of that, that you really have to have that, that internal, uh, knowing, um, and, and trust that. And so that's what got me through those really hard conversations. Um, like, like I said, she didn't even talk to me. I said it. She was like, okay. Hang up your jersey and get out sort of thing. So it wasn't a nice goodbye, I don't think. Looking back. Yeah, that's tough all around. But like you said, being self-assured and we talk like in our, um, in our world when we talk to moms about this decision that some athletes are having around like, do I quit and all this, most of the time it's around psychological things that they can. That, you know, by working on some of these tools, they can actually be helped. But sometimes it is these like really grounded, rooted decisions that they're like, no, I've considered all the options and this is the best for me. And at that point, like if you know moms that are listening, if you have a daughter who is experiencing this like lyric or you know. The best thing to do is to let her walk away. It's not to, you know, keep pushing her towards it, but I, there's so many people on my, I, like I said, I saw this more in college. So many girls on my team wanting to quit, and they only saved because. Their parents or an expectation, or because there was money on the line and their education was on the line, and there were some people like that did not have support, did not have a strong internal compass. It didn't feel strong enough to walk away based off of how they felt. And there were some really serious mental health issues that happened on that team. And I know even from other, uh, women and men. At that college, like mental health is a really big issue because of these expectations that are put on you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned that. Um, I do wanna ask you something, going back to your, your mom and I know that you and your mom have a very special relationship, especially because you are co-founders and who we also love. Yes. Shout. It's amazing. Um, yeah, she, I, I'm like, she'd be the best like sports mom ever going through all of this. Um, but I do want to ask, because we have so many moms that are listening, um, and athletes, you know, when you look back at your mom's role in your sports journey, like her support, her belief in you, the way she showed up, what's one thing that you'd wanna tell her about what she actually did or didn't do? Maybe something that you've never said to her, because I know. If the moms are listening right now, like their daughters aren't telling their moms these things, maybe they will later, but I think it would be really great to hear from you. Yeah, I think, um, what my mom always instilled in me is like, this opportunity for soccer to be the vehicle to get to where you wanna go, or like this potential. And so I always, that really stuck with me and maybe that's what made me persevere. Who knows? Um, because she was, she always showed me like these examples of. Women who got like full ride scholarships and like the fact that you don't have to come outta school with all of this debt and like all of this hard work could like pay off in real world, um, good consequences. And so, um, she always showed me the potential of where soccer could get me essentially. And so I really trusted that and I believed that and I saw what that. What that looked like firsthand. I think, um, my mom is also probably just as competitive as I am, and I don't know if that's like a nurture versus nature situation with me. Um, but I, a lot of my, like competitive nature I think came from her just energetically, which also probably made me persevere. Um, but that, that's more unsaid and unspoken. I would probably say that like. Um, I think a lot of motivation in those harder times was probably, and, and I'm really close with my dad as well, and both my parents, my whole family. And so I think it was probably also to make them proud, you know? And so I, I don't know if parents also realize that their kids, I think ultimately that's what they want too. Yeah. Yeah. I, I could just imagine your mom is a sports mom. I feel like she's so. Intuitive, like in business stuff, she's so intuitive. Also, from the second I met you two, I just knew how much your mom loved you. Like she just is the best of me. So from our little bit of getting to see you two interact together. She is. She is. And she, she definitely makes that, no, like I've never felt unloved. Um, which I think also, um, I think because. You feel like that when you're growing up? It's like, it doesn't matter what the college coach thinks of you when you're making the decision, because it's like, I've got my family, I've got my friends. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, uh, you feel supported in that just because that, that's like a, what's the word? There's no, um, I don't know. There's, there's no conditions around that. So. Yeah. Okay. Same kind of question, but for the coaches in our audience that are listening, you had coaches at a really high level, and what's one thing that a coach did or that they could have done, um, that would've made a really big difference for you and your mental game? Do you think there's anything that the coaches missed? Like today's coach, maybe today's coaches are missing, um, that you would point out to them? Yeah, so you know what's interesting about this is I had. Very few women coaches. Very, very few, well, pretty much all men, um, coaches. The few women coaches that I had were probably the worst coaches that I had, and I don't know why. Um, but you would think that. As a woman, they would be able to understand you, um, more or, or whatnot. And I just did not have that experience. Now the men coaches that I did have, they weren't also amazing. They weren't all amazing. But, um, I do think that. The coaches that didn't do as well, or I felt like were just kind of messing it up. Um, there, they just didn't care, you know, about the, the, the personal side of things. And I, and, and I also think that. Uh, sometimes I think a good coach can see potential and then push you to your individual potential. And the coaches that did really well could do that, and they could look at one, uh, player on the team and give them a really customized plan for moving forward and not just like a. Uh, like cookie cutter. Like, it's so funny because I don't think they realize, everyone talks on the team, everyone asks each other like, oh, what did so and so say in your evaluation? And it's like, if they're all the same, no one feels like actually seen and heard. And so I think at least with women, um, and young girls. Just the fact that you could be seen and heard by your coach, I think is a huge, um, piece of it. One of the best coaches I ever had was my high school coach, Tom Bonne, shout out to him. Um, and he had such a knack for just seeing people and seeing their potential and making it fun while still keeping the standard. And so. I think, I think coaches struggle with that. And I think also when you get into the college level and now the coach's salary, the coach's career is writing on your performance, you can start to see the ugly come out a little bit. Um, and so, I don't know. I, I, I think that at the end of the day, you have to really, you have to really personalize your coaching to each person. Es, especially actually, especially the bench players because they control the culture. I think more than coaches realize. And if those bench players are not feeling seen, heard, feeling like they're making progress, the whole team hears it.'cause they're usually the ones complaining. Yes, you're spot on. I'm like, I'm still,'cause yeah, since I'm still in it and you're, I'm like, yeah. The, the season that we had two, you know, role players end up quitting was like the worst season I've ever had as a coach. And I'm like, because I didn't do a good job of like. Defining their role and making sure that they felt valued. And yeah, all of those. I also to add, yeah, to add to this actually, um, this actually happened in college is that you can't, uh, the word promote is not correct. I'm just too far into my career. Um, I'm using the word promote. You can't promote someone to. Captain before, or a leadership role before they've proven themselves to the rest of the team. And I also think that you can't choose the captains of the team. Like the team really has to choose the captains. And I saw a lot of coaches get into. Big trouble with that from a culture standpoint. Um, we, I, I don't know if this sounds crazy, but we had a college coach that made a freshman, a captain, and that did not go over well. Um, and also if no one wants to, if that person doesn't wanna be the captain, don't force them to be the captain.'cause the team's gonna feel it. Like the, the captain doesn't need to be the best. Player, they need to be the best leader. And that doesn't necessarily mean performance. I remember, um, my coach in high school, um, for my high school team, Tom. He, I told him I didn't want to be captain. I don't want to be captain. I don't wanna be captain. I did not want that spotlight. I liked performing in my own little bubble. I didn't wanna lead the team, I didn't wanna do Kumbaya with the team. I didn't wanna figure that all out. Um, and he never, he never, he, he let me not be the captain no matter what. Um, and I think that was really important. But I saw the other side of that in college where. If they would force people to be the captain and that doesn't work. All right. I am actually really glad you mentioned that because we have a membership for coaches. It's called the Championship Program membership, and we like go over things like this and we give them templates each month and we dive into like a specific topic and then we come on live and dig into it. And. Just in February, our topic was the captain selection process. And so I laid out like different ways you can select captains and the philosophy behind that. And one of the questions from a coach was, I have a sophomore. She's going to be a sophomore, and I think she's a great leader. Would it be a problem if I made her our varsity captain and I have a team of six seniors, six returning seniors, and I was like. Do you want her to die? Like this is not going to go over well, I'm like, you can't? Like, yeah, she probably is demonstrating great leadership qualities, but like you're gonna sabotage. First you're gonna put her in a tough position. And it's gonna be hard for her. Plus like the seniors, they're controlling your culture like this is so, I'm glad you're saying that'cause I think coaches need to hear it. Absolutely. Um, yeah. Well lyric, a lot of people say sports teach them like discipline and teamwork and you know, all those wonderful things. But what did soccer actually teach you? Like the stuff that wasn't on a motivational poster like grit and hard work. It did teach me grit. Um, but what I think what it taught me is, and I say this to people all the time, is like. You as a college athlete, I think specifically have this switch in your brain where as soon as like you get yourself to, I think your max, you turn that, that blaring red flag that's happening in your body. Like off and you're able to push past whatever your brain and your body is telling you and say, no, we're going to go past this limit anyway, which can be a good and a bad thing. Um, but it has really served me well in, um, just my work and business because there's a lot of tough things that happen. Constantly. You have to have hard conversations. You have to hire people, you have to fire those people. You have to make a decision and then realize that that was not the right decision and you have to fail in front of people and your team and, and it just is so hard. And then you have to keep going. And so I think when you're, when my brain is telling me like, this is too hard. How are we gonna do this? I have the ability to. Turn that off, like this fear, I can literally feel it and then push past it. And I think that comes from being an athlete. I also think, uh, competitiveness. I mean, I know that we live in a world now where it's like, okay, everyone deserves a trophy. But at the end of the day, I really like to win and I like to be on top. And I like to be the best of the best. And I think soccer has just. That, that was how I, how I was in soccer. And so, um, that has translated really well in my own career. And that doesn't mean putting other people down, down. That just means like you versus you and how do you get to the top of whatever your mountain is? And I mean, that, that's just sports. And I don't know if I would have that or know the skill of working hard or the skill of doing that if I didn't have, uh, soccer and. Specifically competitive soccer, um, at the highest level. I love that answer. Um, let's see. One thing just to finish this off is you said in your intake survey something that really stuck with me and that was that if you would've had more perspective earlier on, that would've reduced your pressure and made it easier to play more free. And I think about that. There's a lot of context in that that like. Today maybe don't see or don't, they don't quite understand yet. So if you are talking directly to like a 14-year-old right now, who's starting to sort of lose her love for the sport,'cause the pressure is just, it's too much. What would you actually say to her? That life is so long there is gonna be so many. Lives that you live, and this is one life. Yes. It's really like this one portion of your life is one of your lives that you're gonna live in your entire life. And yes, it feels like the only thing that matters, like your friends are doing it. There's a. Whole, um, society around it, almost like social levels to this. And I get it. Um, and when you're in it, it's the, you're in the bubble and it's all you can see. Then you're gonna go to college and you're gonna have a different bubble, and then you're gonna graduate college, and there will, there will be a whole nother bubble that you're in of like adulthood and like, it's, and you know what? It's gonna feel like very similar to how it's feeling now. So. You have to really understand that. This is not everything. This is one part of your life, but you're gonna feel like this throughout your life. So what an amazing time to practice this. Um, not mental toughness, but like just how you navigate these certain bubbles in your life. And, um. And just realize that it's not forever. You're eventually going to move on from the sport, whether you play professional or not, like it's gonna happen. We can't play at this level forever. Um, you're gonna have other things that are important to you and just enjoy it. Like this is such a finite time of your life. Like. I know that that's like such a cliche answer and like if I was, if I take myself back to like, being like 16 or 17, um, I'd be like, okay, cool. Like, just enjoy it. That's easy for you to say, but I truly, it will not always be the most important thing in your life. Um. So enjoy it while it is the most important thing in your life, and do the best that you can and realize that if you fail, you fail, you get to come, go get back up again. And if you don't wanna do it anymore, you don't have to do it. There's gonna be so many opportunities to do so many things that you wanna do, um, whether it be the sport or not the sport. So I, I don't know, it's, it's. It. I get that. It's easy for me to say on the other side and not being in it anymore, but truly the time will come when you exit and you're gonna wish that you enjoyed fully all of the good and hard moments. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's exactly why we need to have these conversations. So thank you. Because somewhere out there, there's a 14-year-old with. Maybe two ACL tears, I don't know, into her soccer career. And she's wondering like, is this worth it? Do I keep going? And she needs to know that whatever decision she makes is not going to define her, but the tools that she builds along the way really will. And you are absolutely proof of that. So I'll also say where to find. Sorry, I'm just remembering something that I said late, uh, earlier in the podcast about missing the gap. When you have torn your ACL, I wanna just like say that this is such a, an ACL tear is such a mental game. So if you are sitting here with an ACL tear seeing your friends like get college. Scholarship things and opportunities. Mm-hmm. I knew so many people who took their ACL terrors and mentally stayed in it and still got college scholarships, and then people who mentally checked out and were like, I quit. So no matter what, you can get what you want. Even if the circumstance doesn't feel like that right now. So I just, I, I also wanna make that really clear. Yeah. I'm glad you said that because there, yeah, there's people in that, we have a lot of, um, athletes in our program who are doing our mental training program because they're injured. They're like, you know, I need to stay mentally in it because I still have goals and it might, the goals might look different, but yeah. Um, okay. Well, you tell us where people can find you because you know, you've got a lot work in working in your company and I don't know, I just think that there's probably moms and coaches out there that wanna connect with you. So let us know where we can find you. Yeah, totally. I mean, any, anything you wanna send me, dms, I'm constantly on Instagram at lyric, L-Y-R-I-K dot Frier, F-R-Y-E-R. Send me a DM if you want any advice, especially around college soccer. I am an open book. Yeah. Well thank you. And moms and coaches, if this hits you, share it. This is a great one for athletes to listen to as well. So texted to someone because these conversations that happen happen like in the car, in the, on the sidelines, in the locker rooms. Like all of this matters more than we know. So thank you again, lyric for sharing. So generously, it was so great to have you.