Hello everybody. Welcome. Good to see you all again, live. I know I saw many of you this week on our, our live trainings or last week, um, but I'm really happy you're here. I have three wonderful moms. We have Kim, Emily, and Anne that are here sharing generously today, um, carving some time out of their schedules to share with you all. Their experience and their athlete's experience inside the elite mental game. And I know many of you are here because you're wondering like, what is it actually like, you know, you're considering joining because we know that today is the last day that we have to join for our little winter enrollment special that we have right now. So we've got some discounts and some bonuses. So I am going to stop talking, um, so that you hear from the people who you wanna hear from today, uh, from Kim, Emily, and Anne. So as we go, I'm gonna have you introduce themselves, but use the q and a, um, or use the chat, whatever we have going on here, the chat to ask your questions, anything that's coming up as you're listening, um, use the chat box to, to ask them. So, Kim, you're first on my screen. Will you please introduce yourself? What sports your athletes play, how old they are? Uh, my name is Kim. My daughter is uh, 15. Her name is Pearl, and she is a competitive climber. Yes. Oh my gosh, Kim, I didn't tell you that. My daughter, she's only seven, but she, we've been trying out a lot of different activities in sports and we got her a gift card to this climbing place downtown, uh, for Christmas. We went. She is hooked, like absolutely hooked. It's such a great community. I recommend it. You do. Okay. Yeah. Uh, it seemed like it cool vibes down there. So, um, yeah, she starts next Tuesday on like a six week climbing horse. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, you can just like have her try to climb like a skyscraper or something in your, I mean that is relevant to one of the question she'll come up today. So we'll see if it leads, um, yeah. And actually you're next on my screen. Uh, hello everybody. My name is Anne. I live in Kansas City, um, and my daughter. Is her name's Lara. She is 11. Um, and she's a competitive softball player and I'm also the coach of our club team with her on it. So a lot of dynamics there from a mom and a coach perspective, um, and putting on the mom hat and putting on the coach hat and kind of helping her work through a lot of these mental blocks. So, um, this course has been really, really helpful from a lot of different perspectives. Yeah. Oh, I might actually have you dive into a little bit of the mom coach thing, because I think that's one of the questions I asked a lot. Yeah. Um, yeah. And then Emily. Yeah. Hi, my name's Emily. I live in San Diego. Um, I have a daughter who's 13 and she's a competitive figure skater. She's been skating since she was six years old. Um. I had never played sports until I was in high school. I never competed at the level that she does. So this is a whole new world for me, and I've learned so much since joining EMG, and I'm just so grateful to share my experience. Oh, thank you. Well, I'm excited to hear Kim. Did you mention how old Pearl is? She's 15. She's 15. Okay. All right. So we've got like 11 to 15 ish is kind of our range here, but for those that are wondering. We have athletes older than that too. We've had a athletes who are in college come through. So just in case, it's a typical question too. So I want you all to take me back to kind of where you were before you learned about EMG, kind of what you, what, what were you experiencing with your daughter that made you think like, oh, this might actually, you know, be something that would be useful. So, Kim, I'll start with you. Um, okay. Well, so my, the first year that my daughter was competing, she was 12 and she did amazing. She like really like just. Excelled on based on natural talent. Mm-hmm. And then there were some things that happened that definitely there was a crisis of confidence. And it took us a couple years, like the first year I was like, okay, well there's, she's getting older, it's, it's, we'll figure this out. And then the second year I was like, oh no, we're, we're having a real, real problem. And the, the. Further exacerbated was the fact that she wanted no help for me to deal with this. So every time I tried to talk to her about it, it was clear. I mean, like other parents were noticing it. It was like, it was just like every time I tried to talk to her about it, it was just like a brick wall. She was just like, I've got this. I'm gonna figure it out. I don't wanna talk about it. And we went through an entire season like that and it was misery. And by the time we get to the end of the season even, she was like. Like, okay, can we agree that you might need some additional tools? We will also agree that I'm not your additional tool. Let's see what we can find from there. And that's how we ended up at EMG. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's good. We're gonna leave it with kind of like a cliffhanger. Yeah, that's great. That's great context. Um, let's see, Ann End. Yeah, I was actually just trying to think of that. I think. Um, so my daughter, very similar, uh, situation as Kim. You know, we had done recreation, sports, I mean, gosh, since she could barely walk, um, was always kind of the star. Um, just really did excel. Um. Very confident, uh, would, could, you know, hit the crap out of the ball. Like no issues at all. Hence, you know, us making the transition to, um, competitive level sports, which is a big decision to make, to like when is the right time and how to do that and, and, um, totally didn't foresee that that transition would. Be more intimidating to her. I'm not even sure that she realized it would be intimidating to her to make that transition from, again, more recreational level to competitive level. Um, even though it was time and, and she was ready for that mentally, I don't think she was. And so, very similar, kind of spent a whole season of like not making contact with the ball. Um, and everything else would look good outside of that practicing, you know, hitting in the cage, like everything was fine, but then game time it would just freeze up. Um, and again, being her coach and her mom is a whole different level of dynamic. And so, um, I didn't know what to say to her to help. I was feeling so frustrated, like, why is, why are you not hitting the ball? And, um, I knew that I needed help too. So not just her, but like what tools do I need? Not only has her mom, but also a coach to 12 and under girls. I've got a bunch of 12 and 13-year-old girls. So, um, that I think I started looking for podcasts was I, and, and, um, I think I searched, you know, female athletes or whatever. And found EMG from there started listening and then, um, yep. The rest is history. Yeah. Okay. I love that. And those of you that are just coming in, welcome. We've got the moms chatting. If you have questions as we go, you can put that, put those in the chat. Anne brings a different dynamic that I, we talked about a lot about on the trainings is like. The mom coach thing has already, they didn't really wanna hear from you, and then if you're the coach, it's like, oh gosh. Okay. All right. Emily, how about, how about you? What's your story? Yeah, so when my daughter Eissa, she started doing competitions as early as age six, seven. Um, she loved it. She never showed that she was nervous. She was proud of herself after competition saying that was. Fun. I don't get nervous, so I was like, great, we're doing the right thing. This fits you. This is great. I won't have to worry about nerves. And then she turned 12 and you know, as every girl goes through the feelings, the emotions really started to flare up. Um. Practices became a bit more frustrating. Um, we were going last season, we were going into a competition level that she had done the previous season, so we were just honing her skills. She was better, her coaches and the adults thought she had a really good chance this past season to score well make it to sectionals, land a difficult jump that she was working on for over a year. And my daughter set out those goals in the springtime before the season started, and she really thought she could do it. And all the adults. Around her thought she could do it too. She had a few, um, preseason, like non-qualifying competitions, which are like practice scores. The scores don't count towards a ranking, which can then, you know, qualify you for sectionals. And she did great. It was very promising. And then we hit her first qualifying competition this past late summer, and she made some, a few very uncharacteristic mistakes in her program. But her reaction afterwards was like. Nothing I've ever seen before. She had this pretty much a mental crash. Like she complained of things she's never complained about before. She said, I don't like people to watch me. The ice felt too hard, my boots felt too broken down. I didn't know how to react to this because I just never heard these things from her. She had always come off competitions, you know, happy and, and um, and satisfied. But because I didn't know how to react, I think I just. Said everything under the sun that I could think of for the next two hours. We were in Vegas and we had to catch a plane back to San Diego right after her competition. We had about two hours, and I think during those two hours from the time that we left the rink to the airport returned, the rental car checked in. I just blabbed about everything I could think of that made absolutely no sense, just to try to make her feel better. Um, I said the most silly things like, oh, you don't like people watching you in the audience. Well pretend that our silly dog, her name is Harry, pretend her. Her head is everybody's face in the audience. And you know, maybe that'll make you smile. I was just coming up with ridiculous things just to try to fix her emotions. Mm-hmm. And by the time we were about to board the plane. I was in tears. Tears. She was in tears. I was emotionally exhausted and I was like, you know, this isn't fun to me anymore. I feel like we need help. So this is where I turn to emg. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's hilarious and sad. Sorry. But I mean, that's what we do. We're like, okay, what, what, what can we pull out to make her feel better? Yeah. Just gotta make her feel better. But yeah. Okay. So take us to the point then where you sort of, you're like, okay, somehow you found EMG. A lot of times it's like, you know, we just appear, you think about it and then you're like, oh, now there's a Facebook ad. And as much as like meta, but like sometimes it works out okay. Um, and or like a podcast or things like that. And so you're presented with this opportunity and you're like, okay, this is kinda what we need. And then comes the challenge of like. Well, how do I talk to my, uh, my teen or tween athlete about this because she already may not wanna listen to things that I say. I will say that most athletes do, like get started with the program right away. And now we have actually a kickoff call that athletes come to where they learn, uh, or they like, hear from me and get excited, but. I think all of you joined before we did that. Um, so how did you present, like, the idea of this program to her? Yeah, Kim, we'll start with you. Uh, well, I will add that my daughter has a DHD. So adding any to-do lists, any items to her to do list is inherently a challenge. And I knew that was gonna be an obstacle of like a, just trying to, yeah, here's another thing for you to do. She's, she would not be super amenable to that. So it took me a while. I did a lot of the little bite-size, um, intro things that you were doing, trying to figure out like how, what's gonna work. And I, uh, there was, um, I'm, yeah, I'm sure, well, there's a, there's a visualization. Practice that you do where you are like holding your thumb out in front of you. That one? Mm-hmm. Which is like. Amazing, right? And so when I sat through the, that, that webinar, I did it. I was like, what? This is magic. And so even though like that's not necessarily maybe the right order, that was the thing that I had her do. And because it was so effective, she really was just like, wait, how? What that it, it really intrigued her to the point where then I kind of had an opening and um, and, and I think the other thing that helped, um, was the fact that it wasn't just her doing it like I was doing it too. So I'm like, okay, we're gonna do this together. I'm gonna learn how to help you, and I have homework and I have things so it's not just like this pile of things I'm putting on you, we're gonna do this together. And I think that helped a lot too. Yeah. Yeah. I love that you bring up the thumb exercise because, uh, in the kickoff call we do that with athletes. Like that's one of the first things because they are like, what just happened? That was, that was awesome. So, okay. And, and how'd you bring it up to your daughter? Yeah, so I was actually just trying to think of that. I'm like, man, I don't recall. I think, um, I think I had let her fail enough to where she was ready. Yeah. Um, I think if I had tried to push anything before, um, it wouldn't have worked. So I let her really go through a whole season of struggling, which was, you know, like nine months. Um, and then when I found this, it was like, Hey, we good now? You like, we ready to, we're on the same page. We ready, get, get some, get some help here. And that's when. She was like, yes. Like, no, I don't, no athlete, especially like a high level athlete, um, wants to fail. Like they don't, they, they want to excel. They want to be, you know, a leader on their team, you know? Um, so, uh, that really helped, I think, again, kind of having that time and not pushing it too soon. Um, but secondly, similar to what Kim said, it, I have three daughters. She's my oldest. Um, and so because there's three of'em, like. I, I'm spread thin as a mom, and so this was also an opportunity that we do. We do it together. And I asked her that, like, would you rather do it on your own? You know, I very much let her lead. Um, you know, she doesn't have a phone. Like, would you like to do these lessons on your own? And, and then we'll just connect later about it. And she's like, no. Like I, she, she enjoys the, the one-on-one time with me. And that's how we spend it, is, you know, we section, you know, on Monday evenings when you get home from school or whatever, that's when we sit down and do it. Um, and, and you know, I did, we each have like our own playbook. I can't say it'cause it's blurry, but we each sit down and, and work on it together. So it is that kind of one-on-one time, um, that my daughter really enjoys and I think really helps. Yeah, I think that's so special. Um, especially as you get busy and you have, you know, you got multiple kids carving out time, even, you know, 20 or 30 minutes to say like, okay, let's you do your side. I'll do my side and then we'll connect after. I know a lot of families do it that way. Obviously some of the older kids are like more on their own, and so they're using the app and, you know, doing it. But if you can, I, I mean, that's a cool time to connect. So, all right, Emily, how'd you, how'd you present it? Yeah, so after that first competition, she had two more qualifying competitions to sort of retry. And I said, and I proposed this idea of, um, look, I think your mental game, um. This is something that really needs to be worked on. Um, but I had investigated a few different ways to do it. You know, I looked into sports psychologists in town. I looked online at sports psychologists who could do a session with her over, um, over the computer. And then there was EMG. And I think what I really liked about EMG was itself paced course. Um, the fact that lessons were bite-sized, the fact that she could kind of fit this into her schedule.'cause she also just started middle school and was extremely busy learning to manage that. Um, and how EMG seemed to like speak to them directly in fun ways. So I remember there was that com What's your competitor style quiz. Oh, okay. And so I introduced that to her. I said, Hey, you know, no pressure, but if you have time tonight after you do your homework, try this quiz. It's fun. It's just 10 questions. And I think I looked into your program, I said, this could be really helpful. Helpful to you. It could be helpful to me as well too. Mm-hmm. And so I think she kind of enjoyed it. Um, I also made things a little bit novel and fun for her. Like her phone use had been very limited. Mm-hmm. She could only communicate with her parents, but I said, Hey, look, if you wanna do this, I could install the podcast app on your phone. We'll get you some AirPods, some earbuds, you could start listening to this stuff. Um, I would send her little texts from, you know, quotes that EMG could post and send those to her. Um, I got her own email address and so I think those little things kind of made it fun for her too. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think after she did a couple lessons, I think she started to realize that it could benefit, benefit her. And I think it just fit into our very busy schedule very well. The fact that she could do it on her own time, I could do it on my own time, and I really emphasized to her that this was so much for me as well too. Um, because there's so much that I don't know what to do in this situation, that this could really teach me a lot. And I also realized that everything she was learning here could just apply to the rest of her life too. Like she was struggling with seventh grade math and how to deal with the homework load and the tests. And I was like, look, everything you're learning here can apply to school as well. And so I think she started to kind of grasp that and see it for herself. And yeah, it was, it worked. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. I mean, it really is. We obviously are very passionate about. Women and girls in sports and we want to keep that. We know, we hear that girls are dropping out at two times rate of boys, and so we know that like the mental side of it is something that keeps them in because they can enjoy their sport more and all that. But I mean that's really just the vehicle, right? Because we know that these skills transfer beyond and they impact them as leaders and our future, you know, like all of this is really important, so. Yeah. I love that. Um, okay, Kim, let's go, let's circle back to you. Let's talk about what you started to notice in Pearl. So they, they're starting the trainings and we'll talk about, well, I guess if you want, you can talk about live support if you guys came to the calls and things like that. But mostly like the skills, um, that she started learning. What did you start to notice? Uh, it was so interesting because the, you know, one of the things that was really important for me was learning what not to say, right? Yeah. So, um, there was a lot of just saying less and, uh, and the first time she went to practice after she learned her step back routine, she like gets in the car after practice and I'm, I'm like, dying to know Thursday. Everybody like, oh my God, is it working? Is it working? And I was like, very chill. Hey, so you know, how is practice? She's like, it was fine. I'm like, okay. And then nothing, I didn't say anything about it. We are just like, okay, all right. Cool, cool. Um, and then like almost when we get home, it's like a 20 minute drive home just before we go home. She's like, actually, actually I have to tell you. It was amazing. Like it was, she, and she just started going on and on about how great practice was, how much her snapback routine helped her. And it was like all of this like amazing data. And, and then, and then in there she's like, I didn't wanna tell you because there was an element of I didn't want you to be right, for sure. But there was also like, I didn't, this was such an interesting thing she said, she's like, I didn't want you to hold it over me. Like mm-hmm. She didn't wanna hear later. Well, did you try your snapback routine? Like she just didn't, she just wanted it to be hers and I was like, interesting. Okay, well that's like such great feedback now. I know not to say stuff like that to you. And then, yeah, that was, I mean, it just completely changed her whole way of being and she became much more communicative, like the channels like almost immediately opened up. She started telling me what she wanted from me. She would immediately tell me if I said something that was not helpful, she would just say that Not helpful. Okay. Okay, cool, cool. Um, so like, I learned, basically I learned to shut up and she learned how to start talking. Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah, to put it in a nutshell that, I mean, that's amazing. Yeah. And sometimes, and sometimes it's hard to hear, but how, I mean, that's awesome. That's what you want. Right. Yeah. Like I, like I was tearing up in the car. I was just like, oh my God, this is transformational. It was very powerful. Oh my gosh. Okay. That's amazing. Um, okay, Ann, what did you start to notice? Yeah, you know, um, I'll never forget, so being that I'm the coach, I'm out there on the field and I'm the third base coach. So I'm the one giving them the signs and, and all of the things. And so of course, you know, my daughter comes up to bat and. You know, she's looking over at me and, you know, um, and I'm trying to play it cool, but I'm, I'm dying inside, you know, I'm like, please God. Like I just, let's let this be the time. Like let this be the moment. We'd been working through, you know, the bounce back routine and, and the visualization. And at first she was like, this is like a little hokey. Um, yeah. But like, I got her through it, you know, I'm like. Again, we were sort of like at the bottom of like, we gotta do something here to change. And so she was embraced kind of all the different things, but, you know, what do you visualize? And so when she was up to bat, um, and it was a, a very, very close game. I think we had, um, bases loaded and like I really needed her. Um, in that moment. Her team needed her. But like, deep down, like as a mom, I needed her to do it for herself. And like actually get a hit, you know, and, and get on base. Um, and she did it. And I mean, I'm like dying. I'm just like crying. Like it was just such an emotional experience because I know not just as a coach and how great that was for her team, but how much she needed that for her self-esteem. Like she really needed to prove to herself that she could. Do this. Like she can overcome it and I can't do it for her, you know? And that's really hard as a mom that you can't do it for them and you can't fix it for them. So, um, and then from there, I mean, it's not like she's been, you know, hitting grand slams every time by any means, but, you know, the majority of her hits happened after we enrolled in EMG last fall. I think she only had like seven hits for the fall and like five of those seven were after EMG. And so that just tells me right there everything that I need to know. I mean, I've even taken, you know, so the bounce back routine and the, the daily mindset routine, um, those are the two big things that really seem to have made a big difference in her. Um, and. I just kind of knew we were onto something special and I, she needed to know that too. And I think, again, knowing and seeing the drastic change in her as a player after EMG was like, that was even more of a buy-in for her to the things that do feel maybe a little bit hokey to a teenage girl, like the visualization and what is this, you know, like she's, you know, kind of fully, fully bought in when she realized like, man, this does, this does work. Yeah. Oh, that's so great. Um, that gives me goosebumps because it's like once they start to connect, and that's typically what we see when athletes, that's why we teach the snapback routine at the very beginning because it's one of the simplest skills to learn and it makes a big difference. You're like, oh, this actually worked. You know? And then it kind of sets up. From there that they're like, oh, okay, well if that works, then all this stuff is gonna work too. Yeah. Well, and my whole team has a snapback routine now. Like, they know what it is. They use the terminology, like they, all of them have their, you know, their word, their thing, their, you know, they all do the process. And it's funny, I'll hear'em like yelling to each other, like, you know, bounce back, like do, do your snapback routine. You know, like they're telling each other on the field. And so, um, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's powerful. Yeah. That's awesome. I love it when my players do that too. They're like Reset word. Reset word. Okay. All right. Emily, what did you start to notice? Yeah, so, um, my daughter definitely started with the snapback routine and it was very applicable from like the first practice where, you know, she has to run her competition. Program on the ice. And you know, before she made a mistake, her almost automatic reflex since she was a little girl, was to like immediate look at her coaches with like deer in the headlights look. It's like, oh my gosh, I just made a mistake. What do I do now? And of course, as she's grown up, her coaches have been trying to just keep going, keep moving. And I think having that snapback routine really helped her get over that bump to just keep moving and not dwell on the mistake that she just did. Um, so that was great in the first week. Um, within the first couple weeks though, like one of her coaches came over to me and said, I dunno what you're doing at home, but I see a real difference in erisa. She is not getting as upset or the tears aren't welling up in her eyes anymore when she makes a mistake. She's able to, when she makes a mistake, she's able to focus on me. I'm able to give her the technical corrections, go out and do the spin again. And she's able to do it without getting frustrated. And that is amazing. That is like a barrier that we've been kind of struggling with all throughout the summer. And I don't know what you're doing at home, but whatever you're doing, just keep doing it. And I was like, wow. I mean, this has only been two weeks. I didn't tell her coaches much of the details of what we were doing other than we had found a really cool online mental training program. And I was like. Oh my gosh, this is like really working. Her coaches are noticing, um, her last two competitions of her season were much better. She used so much of the techniques to like, get her through the, the pitfalls she was kind of running in through with her previous program. I became a much more calm and happy sports parent. I think as soon as I started doing the training and starting learning, um, topics through the podcast. Um, my whole like. Path of this vigorous training. I mean, we're at the rink four 15, up at 4:15 AM at the rink. 5:00 AM like five, six days a week. She's skating 12 hours a week off ice training, all that. It's like, it's exhausting for me. And so many times in the past I ask, especially if we hit like a rough start, a a rough block, I'm just like, what are we doing this for again? You know, why are we doing this? Um, but I think having, starting this training and listening to a lot of podcasts, like that path of this. Vigorous training is a lot more clearer to me in that it's not about outcomes. It's not about her getting to a particular level. It's it's about her journey. It's about her process. Um, and I'm here to support her not to do anything else. So it just made me much more of a calm and happy, not so nervous. Not so invested as I wanna be sports nerd, that I could just be happy and just watch her, support her and not be so concerned if she's not hitting a certain skill a certain day, or not scoring a certain level on a competition. Like it just relieved a lot of my anxiety, I think, around watching her. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that reminded me of, gosh, I was listening to, I can't remember which podcast it was, but somebody on there said, um, can we Watch Without Desire? And I was like, mm-hmm. That's very interesting. That's kind of what this is like without adding our own expectations or ego or what we are thinking should happen. Like Watch Without Desire. Yes. It kind of releases. Some of that you to Yes, I that, yes. I definitely looked at that podcast. You did? Oh yeah. Yeah. I can't remember, was it raising good humans? Maybe? I, it was. I think I dropped it in our private community.'cause I was like, this is so good. Yeah. It was very appropriate. I love the podcast. Yeah. Okay. Um, let's see, Kim coming back to you. Um, let's chat a little bit about. Any of the I The question really what I wanted to ask is what was your, what's your favorite part of the program? So what did, what did your daughter like the most? And I do though want to know as well if this applies. I know that you use your live support, you had it active. Yeah. So Pearl was coming to the, the calls, I know she was using your on texting. Can you talk about that and if that was helpful for Pearl? Um. Yes, she was only able to sit in on a couple. Unfortunately, the live, uh, trainings are at the same time as her practice, so we don't get to make them very often. But she definitely uses the text coaching and I have used the text coaching, and I am a big fan because I. Almost every time, even I kind of know that the answer is somewhere in the training, but you get sort of caught up in the EM emotion of it and you're just like, I just need a little help. And, and hers is the same way. And so, you know, like the answer will be answering my question, but also kind of direct me back to the part of the training that's the most applicable and that is helpful. Um, and it's, you know, like it helps me have that. Distance that, so that I don't get so emotionally involved. I mean, when your kid is upset, you get upset, and so you just, yeah. Need someone to kind of have, have your back a little bit and help you uhhuh, um, manage towards that. Um, but I, yeah, the, I would say one of my. The favorite things. Well, ob obviously my most favorite thing is the fact that it worked. So we'll just start there. But, um, uh, the, the visualizations have been incredibly powerful for her, especially. Mm-hmm. And, um, and, and I will, back to what we were saying at the beginning when we were watching Alex Holl climb the, the building. Right. Of course. We were watching that. Yes, climber. Um, they were cutting to his training a lot. Right? And one of the things they said when, when he went to one of his trainings, he was just like, he was going on and on about his visualization and how many times he's climbed that building in his head before he was actually climbing it. And I could tell like immediately, she's like, that's what I do too. Like, it like for an athlete of that caliber to be on tv telling her that that is one of his tools was incredibly effective. Um, so that was pretty cool. Oh, that's awesome. And that's one of the things that, one of the tips that we give moms, um, and what we do on the kickoff call too, is show examples of other athletes who are doing this. Because sometimes athletes think like, oh, there's something wrong with me, so I need to do mental training. And it's like, no, actually the best athletes do this to give them an edge and. Achieve what they can. So that's really awesome. Um, okay, Ann, I don't know if you guys utilize the live support, um, or not, so you can speak to that or you can just talk about what was your favorite part. Yeah, we haven't utilized it yet because when we enrolled we were kind of halfway through our fall season and so we're getting ready to kick off our kind of the meat of our main season starting in March. So I wanted to wait and activate it closer to that. Um, but as far as. What I like about what, you know, what part of it that I love the most. I would say, um, I think the positive self-talk, and I think her realizing one of my team's core values has always been like we don't talk about, about ourselves. Okay. We don't talk about it about ourselves. Um, and this was like long before EMG, but a reason why I felt like I really connected with EMG, because that's very much something that I preach as a mother of girls and a coach of, of young women. Um, but I think like her understanding. And I had never even really thought about it this much, uh, this deep either. But the less, the specific lesson on that I recall, because it talks about like, when you say those things, your brain starts to believe that that's true. Mm-hmm. So it's like, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna strike out again. Like I'm not, it's just not gonna You believe it in your mind, like truly. And so. Um, that really resonated beyond just like, yet a core value that mom makes us say at the beginning of each practice, but like, oh, like, no, this is, this is a big deal because I'm telling myself, I am telling myself I'm going to strike out like by, by saying those things. And so resetting and like the affirmations and, um, the, the daily, the daily mindset routine is, is really powerful. I gave each of my girls. A journal, um, and have the daily mindset routine taped inside their journal. Um, so during season, that's what they do. They practice those things. And again, like those affirmations and, and the goals and all of that. Um, so that would be probably, you know, there's a lot, but that's the, the one that really sticks out in my mind. Yeah, and that's so important because that is such a life skill. You know, we talk about, as we said, this goes beyond. And so being able to recognize like, when am I speaking badly about myself? When am I setting myself up for failure based on what I'm telling myself in my head? So, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Um. See Emily, I, I know you guys had live support active too, but you, so you can speak to that if you want, or just favorite part. Yeah. Uh, we did live support at, through the final month of her competitive season, and I used it definitely when, you know, she had a competition. I was like, oh no. She fell on her last element of her program again. I know she can do. Do you have some tips on like what we, what she can do or say or think to herself to like get that final element down? Mm-hmm. And one of the coaches, I forgot who it was, maybe coach Rachel, said, Hey, think of like maybe a, a word, a trigger word, um, that she could say in her mind right before she goes into that last element. To sort of just focus on it and, and get it done. And I think my daughter picked the word fly. And so before the next competition, before she hit that last element, she said, fly to herself in her brain. And she did it. I was like, oh my gosh, it worked. You know? Wow. So, um, that was very useful for me. I think she wasn't, um, she hadn't. Yet fitted into her schedule or wasn't totally comfortable texting herself to the coaches, but I was more than happy to do it for her. So that was useful to me. Um, but for her, I think what she really enjoys and still uses from the program are the tools. So other than the snapback routine, like the hot cocoa breath really got her through her nerves during competitions. The visualization thing has been huge, like a month after her last. Competition of the season. She finally landed that jump, that difficult jump that she's been working almost two years now on, and it's a double axle. It's two and a half revolutions in the air and it's a big milestone for us to reach. And when she landed it and I drove her home from practice, you know, I was, she was glowing to me about it. And one of the first things she said was like. EMG definitely helped me. I love it. I was like, oh my gosh, you know, this helped you land that job. So I was like, she definitely took things from what she's learned and applied it and helped her achieve this very difficult skill that she's been working on and I love also, I didn't know that visualizing, doing a skill in your head was, um, like. Connecting the same brain neurons that you do when you actually do it physically. So actually visualization can actually help your physical performance too. And I thought that was the coolest concept. I told her that and I was like, Hey look, when you're at school and you know you're, you have a free moment. Think about yourself landing that jump. And that's like your brain practicing doing it, the real thing. Mm-hmm. And I think she really took that to heart as well too. The jump is beautiful now. That's awesome. She also really enjoys the way you talk to her. I think on these lessons, she finds you very relatable. Your style is like very, um, much on level with a teenage girl. Nothing sounds cringeworthy. She likes a start bite-sized lessons. I was so I don't do that. Don't do the six seven. Apparently. That's cringe. Yeah. When adults do it. Um, but yeah, I think she what, however you deliver the information, it, it strikes. Accord with her. And she, she, she just gobbles it up and it works. Um, she's also learned to just kind of be very intentional with every practice session she goes into. Like set a mini goal for each practice year. We're not doing the same practice every single day.'cause now we're losing focus and we're not sure what we're doing all this for. But she's learned to set one small goal, um, with each practice. And I think that has really helped her achieve the bigger goals too. I love, I mean, the podcasts are one of my favorite things. I feel like. If there's an issue that went through my mind in the past week watching her play, um, I could go through the podcast happened. Oh, there's a podcast for it, and I can listen to it and learn about it. Mm-hmm. It's my favorite thing to do when I work out. Um, I feel like it's therapy for me sometimes when I'm watching her practice and old me would've been like stressing out of like, oh no, she's missing this jump and what's going on. She's missing that jump. But I feel like when I listen to his podcast and watch her, I could like take a deep breath. And reset my, my mind shift and think the way I should be rather than trying to micromanage her. Yeah. Oh, okay. That's, that's a good tip when you're watching I, because I'm like, you need to invest in some headphones probably, because also I don't know how it's on in ice. In figure skating, that's maybe a little bit different vibe, but typically there's all other parents around that are just like. I don't know, saying weird stuff. Yeah, we're very individual, so it's, and it's often, you know, early in the morning and not a lot of people are there. So we're all kind of just kind of off by our own watching. Um, and I usually just, if I'm there, I just pop in the AirPods, put on a, a podcast and then it's almost like I could watch her and practice exactly what I'm hearing. Take those deep breaths and just think about. What she's doing in a much more positive, productive way than a nervous, worried way. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's helpful for sure. Okay. Um, I just have a couple more questions left. You, you all, I mean, you're doing amazing and those that are on live, if you have a question about anything or you're wondering like, how did this actually work or anything, just put it in the chat. Um, okay. You've, all of all three of you have mentioned this in some way, so it might be repetitive, but I just wanna hit back on it. How has this impacted your relationship with your daughter? Okay. Again, it might be a little repetitive, but because we have two sides to it, and it sounds like you all are, you, you know, at least listening to some of the parent side, um, how has this impacted your relationship with her? Can you just go there for a second? So, Kim, I'll start with you. I mean, yes, for sure. I've already said that it really shifted things tremendously. Um, I, and, and, and we haven't really talked a lot yet about, uh. The, like, the better ways to, the things to focus on when we're talking on her. So I, I will talk about that briefly.'cause she recently had basically the climbing equivalent of the Ys and she was just having like a hard time. Right. And it was so great to be able to like walk her through that.'cause we could talk about. Effort instead of results, you know? And I was just like, okay, that happens, right? Like that has happened to me. It happens to every athlete. Just keep putting in the work and eventually it will pass. And because she's had so much success with the program and she believes in the program, she was like, okay, that language feels familiar. I've heard Brie say stuff like that. This all feels right. And it worked. Like it was, it probably lasted, I don't know, maybe almost as much as a month. Mm-hmm. And she, and she was really just like struggling each practice, like not feeling great or just. Just talked about like focusing on the work, but it was so great that I had language for that to talk to her about it instead of just being like, oh, it's fine. Or saying something that was just not helpful. Um, so every time I don't screw it up, it builds a relationship, you know, like instead of like chipping away at it, it's building it and, and increasing trust. Increasing, uh, communication and I'm just like super grateful for that, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's, that's where it's at, right? For sure. Um, and I mean, all of you have said this in a variety of ways too. Sometimes when we have parents and athletes come to the program, they're like, we're at this point where we're not sure if her sport's worth it, because what is this doing to our family? So, yeah. Um, and I know you mentioned this too, but how did this impact your relationship? I, you can also speak to the coach side. I know there's coaches that are on right now too, like. Did this help with that mom coach role? Yeah, absolutely. I think again, um, I, and you had asked, um, earlier on like, how did we find EMG or like, whatever, you know, what it was, it was like, what do I say? It was like the free training on like, oh yeah. You know, the, the, the words to say, um, the positive innate qualities. I don't know if you can see it, but I like printed it off. Um, I think that was like a free thing that came with that training, but like, having different tools and, and, and, and words and things that I can say that isn't so focused on, well, I'm really gonna give you some kudos if you get a hit from me here. You know? Like, that's not what, that puts more pressure on them. I never ever thought of it that way before, but that's what everybody says, right? And so as I've gone through this process of learning, like I say a lot to my daughter, like. And really all of my girls, like, I love watching you play. That's one of the main things. Um, and I remember I sent your podcast about, like, that was about like what, you know, talking about their positive innate qualities or, um. Having more tools about like what to say and when to say it and how to say it during games and things like, because I need all the parents to do it too, you know, like Right. I'm only one person, so I really need all of them to be going through this process and understanding too. So I've sent them a number of your podcasts and, and they love it. And it's funny because I'll like, hear them, you know, like being like, you know, saying the things that, that we've taught them to say and how to talk to their daughter, especially in, in a game situation. I explain to them like. Because your voice is what they hear. They do hear coach hands, but like they're gonna hear your voice too as their mom or your, or their dad. And so we all gotta learn this and get on the same path now so we don't cause damage. You know, and not that you're doing it on purpose, but we gotta find better ways to talk to them that isn't so focused on just when they produce well for us or produce well for the team. Like that's, that's not helping. And so that was a really big, uh, shift for me and, and an area that has definitely changed and improved. Um. Improved our relationship because I didn't realize it, but I would like do things like, Hey, if you get a hit this game, you know, I'll take you to get your nails done. And I'm like, what? Like not realizing like, oh, I'm only gonna, I'm only gonna reward you if you do what? What, you know, what you need to do. You know, and again, just not even realizing that while I'm trying to do the right thing as a mom, that's also, it wasn't the right thing. It was just creating more pressure and more angst. So, um, I try to kind of answer that from a twofold perspective, like the coach perspective and then the, the mom perspective. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you brought that up, because that's so common too. And I find myself doing that with like, even my young kids, I'm like, we'll, go get ice cream if you Yeah. Because we're like, I'm just trying to, come on. Just like Right. Thing. Uh, right. Yeah. Okay. Um, so just in the chat that I want you all to be thinking about, um, any of your, your biggest struggles with the program Colleen is asking, and then I'll answer Finn's question really fast. What are the trainings, um, for parents and athletes podcast, live session and text. Okay, so parents have their side of the program when they log in. So just like your daughter will log in and they see the athlete side, you log in, you see the parent program, and you can pop those on, listen to'em like a podcast. We have an app that makes it really easy for you to consume those on the go as well. Um, every. So that's kind of like the core, the core part of EMG that you have lifetime access to. Now we offer three free months of live coaching. This is for you, it's also for your athlete. So for your athlete, those are two times a month live calls that she can come to. And then Coach Oncall texting. So Kim was talking about that. So is Emily, um, where we check in with your athlete every week and give her like a little nugget of men mental training and then ask her a question that she can respond back to. It's like, how's EMG going? Do you have any competitions coming up? And then she can also reach out at that number anytime. And Sailor and I respond to her within 24 hours, so she gets support in that way. Um, the live sessions as well. So for athletes, like I said, those are two times a month via Zoom. For parents, we do little quick tips in our private community, and if you miss any of those live. We put them, um, inside the portal and it's kind of like a podcast. So if you download the app then, and you don't have to download the app, you can access it via web browser. But um, those are what you can listen to as well, um, as a podcast. So yeah, we got a little combination of, of everything there. And for those, um, and Emily, I'm gonna get to you next. Um, we're gonna drop the link for the enrollment special that we have right now. So it's. 50% off, three free months of live coaching. Plus we have a little ditch the drama training bundle. Some other like little fun things that we're adding in for today because it's the last day. Um, to join with that discount. So Christina will drop the link for that and any other questions, keep dropping'em in there. So, yeah. Emily, how did this impact your relationship? Yeah, it definitely helped to develop a much more open and safe communication between my daughter and me. I also felt at times my daughter might be concerned that I cared more about results and that, um, than the process and that she was, I was. Afraid that maybe she would think she would only make me happy if, you know, she did a certain thing or performed a certain way. And although, even though I, I never wanted to feel like that. It was hard for me to say that directly to her. So, um, I think this program really changed the way we can communicate with each other. She feels safe to tell me that she loves skating. And even before that, even before I was able to tell her, I love to watch you skate, she said, mommy, I love it. I love it when you watch me skate. And I was like, oh my gosh. I didn't even prompt you to like. Say too. I didn't ask you that question. She just said it to me and I, that was like one of the best things she could have said to me. Um, that I'm not putting more pressure on her. Um, I also, it's made me a lot more confident that she is doing this because she wants to, that she's getting up early, she's going to this practice, these practices, she's working this hard because she wants to, and it's not. Not because she feels like she's doing this to make me happy or to make her coaches happy, or to make anyone else around her happy that she is doing this for herself. And I think, um, the way I've started to, the changes I've made in communicating to her, praising her positive innate qualities, praising her effort much more than any outcome, um, has really opened her up to, to let her do this and express that to me, um, that she loves this, that she's the one in charge. Um. That she is doing this for herself and not for anybody else. And that's the best thing for me too, to know as a sports parent, that she is doing this for her, not for me. Um, she's not doing this to please anybody else. Yeah. Oh, that's a relief. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Okay. I just have, um, well the one question from Colleen, and then my last question for you, so that you have it in your head, is just anything maybe that you wanna mention that I haven't asked? Anything that you think would be, um, worthwhile for the parents to hear? But Colleen, I, Colleen asked, um, any like, struggle with program, any, any sort of thing. So I'll just throw that to anyone you know, Kim and whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I, I've said at the beginning that my kid has a DHD, so adding another thing to her to-do list is, is no small ask. She's a sophomore in high school with multiple AP tests, so like. Um, I, it's, it's taking us forever. I think she's still in, in phase four. She hasn't even finished yet and we've been in it for months. Um, yeah. And so that's just been practice for me to like, not push her she'll. She does it when she's ready. I know she cares about it. It's a priority for her. Um, but I ha you know, I just have to like, wait for her to do it. So, you know, that's good practice for me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that is, and sometimes, I mean, the, I, I don't know if you guys live support is active right now, it doesn't really matter. But the, um, the texting helps a little bit with that because we're the ones reaching out and we're like, yes, I would agree with that. Yeah. But, you know, still, like, it's, it's a slow process for us. Um, there's always a little bit of oppositional defiance if I ask her to do a thing, so I can't. Ask. I just, you know, I, yeah. This is her thing to do. She does it when she's ready to do it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Anything Kim or Emily you wanna add on that? Maybe upfront? Like, when I realized the cost of the program, I was like, oh, this is a really big thing and we wanna make sure we can't, this is a good investment for us. But I have to say, you know, my first few. Hours delving into the program, I was like, this is definitely worth the investment because again, all the lessons she's learning is not just applicable to her sport, but is applicable to school and it'll be applicable to be in her life in the future. You know, if she has to take a big exam down the road or go to a job interview, like all the skills she's learning right now is gonna be, is gonna apply to her, you know, for the rest of her lives. So. Having realized that, um, and again, I haven't shopped around for other mental coaches and, you know, the pricing of other options for mental training. I'm sure they're, they're definitely an investment as well too, but I think it's worth every single penny. Yeah. Okay. That's, that's a good, good thing to bring up. Yeah, it is. It's not nothing, right? It's not nothing. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think though, putting, I think putting the money behind it though makes it like. Uh, you know, you're, you're more committed'cause you, you did, you know, um. Did do that. I did wanna show too, I think I did when my background was on, I don't know if everybody does it this way, but, um, I thought this might be helpful for those that were kind of asking like, how does, what does this really look like? So I have, you know, my daughter has her binder, actually, I think this is the athlete one, right? Yeah. This is the athlete. So my daughter has her binder and I have my binder. Um, and so we, we sit down and, and work through. I usually do mine separate, but she sits down and works through it. And I think what's really cool about that is it. Um, and then she also checks off like, okay, I've done this phase, or I've done this lesson of this phase. And so being able to see that she's making progress in the program. And it's also kinda like a journal that I know that I'm gonna love to look back on, um, because we did, you know, pay to get it found into like a little book like this. Um, I think the only challenge I would say is kind of like figuring out the right time to do it. Mm-hmm. Um, like I was like. I feel like almost we should probably sit down and do it, like going into a tournament weekend. Like can we, you know, it's slating off that time together where we can really sit for 30 minutes and really work through it and not be rushed and all the things there. There's been times where we've done it again, like going into practice, but there's also been times where. Um, we didn't get to it that week. And so she'll take her book with her in the car with her earbuds and she will work through it on her own, um, on the way to a tournament. Um, and I al I almost like that better. So it's, I think, I don't know if that's really a challenge, but I think that's something where I'm like, oh, I'm trying to just like figure out. When to get the most bang for our buck out of it. Like I don't want to do it five days before she's playing again. I kind of like to have her do it and go through a lesson, um, going right into an actual game. Um, so yeah, that's, that's my 2 cents on that. That's good. And you're very organized, Anne. Um, so yeah, the, there's work, there's a couple workbooks, there's workbook for the parent, there's workbook for the athlete, and um, yeah, you can totally, you don't have to use them. I tell athletes you can just use a blank notebook. Um, but if you'd like, you can print these or just send them like to FedEx having spiral bound, and that's a really nice wage to. Keep it all together, so, yeah. Okay. Well we're, we're wrapping things up. Last call for questions. Um, and then just anything that maybe you think would be worth bringing up to the moms that are listening. Kim, I'll start with you. Um, I mean, y yeah, you can't not talk about the money, right? Emily is right. Yeah. Like one of the reasons why I waited for such a long time was because it was an investment. I'm like, is this gonna be worth its soul? I mean, uh, and I, and I can't, I mean, like there was part of me that was, um. I wanted her to understand that it was an investment, but I also didn't wanna add that extra layer of pressure, like, you have to do this because we've spent all this money. And so, um, yeah, that was really a struggle for me. I, like, I, it took me a long time to commit based on that, and then ultimately, obviously I did. And yeah, it clearly it was worth it. That's why I'm here today. But, um, it, it, I definitely understand like the hesitation on that front, like that, that's a real, that's a real thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Totally worth it though. Yeah, it's one of those, I mean, we talk about those of you that are on the training where like, I mean, you, you already are investing in your daughter's sport, which is one of the reasons that's like, okay, we're gonna invest more. But, um, you know, if it is not getting her, not just the results, but it's influencing her confidence about herself. If it's influencing how her, her self perception that's gonna transfer to the rest of her life, her relationship with you and the family, like. I mean, what would you pay to make sure that she has the skills of confidence that go in her sport and life? So you kinda put it that way. It's like, okay. Yeah. So, all right, Emily, anything you'd like to add? Um, I found it really enlightening. I think you mentioned this in one of the early lessons that the mental training part of the game is just as important as the physical training and the, the knowledge training of how to do her sport. And I, I love that multiplication equation that you put out, that if one of those is zero, their result is gonna be zero. And I think. So important. Um, because especially once you get to a level of training competition, if you don't have this piece of dealing with all the mental stuff, like your performance just won't, it won't continue to thrive. You know, you, you won't continue to grow there. Like, it's just so vital and so, um, overlooked. And you're right, the, her coaches don't know this stuff. They're asking me, you know, about what she's learning. Um, there's no one else out there to teach them. And I think this is such a. A wonderful source that points out its importance, it makes it accessible to us. Um, that just points out how important this piece of the puzzle is. And um, yeah, it's just not talked about enough and I don't think enough. Parents are aware, um, of how much more they could be doing to help support their athlete with all the mental side of it, which is huge. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We tend to kind of be like, well, it's the coach's responsibility and the parents', it's the, it's like, okay, well, somebody, somebody do it. Yeah. Yeah. But we don't have the knowledge. How so? This is great. It feels such a big void, I think. Mm-hmm. That needs to be spoken more of and, um, trained. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Ann, well, well you get, Ann does it both, like she's a coach and a parent. She's doing it. So I'm like, man, my parents are lucky. They got, yes. You got coaches right now. I'm just joking. Um, I would say, you know, it, it, um, a little bit to Emily's point, um. I have actually been much more comfortable, I think, going through the training myself again as a parent, um, that I have, uh, you know, taken practice time, like after a rough tournament. We had a, I don't know, it was toward the end of fall and. I, like all the girls were falling apart, like emotionally. I mean, it was just like the tears and the dugout, the, um, you know, bo the really poor body language, which we also talk, you know, talk about in the training, how much that has an effect. And, and so, you know, coming into our practices the following week I was like, yeah, we're, we're not actually practicing. We're gonna come and sit down in my living room and we're gonna talk through. And that's when they all went through like the daily mindset routine because it is a daily, it's a daily practice of, of these. Tools. Um, and so I, you know, popped my computer up in front of my whole team and again, gave'em their journals and they went, they went through that lesson. They, they learned that lesson. And again, being willing to take time away from the field. A lot of people would say, well, we just gotta practice harder. No, right? Like, it's, that's not actually a component of it. Um, and me having the knowledge that I do now, you know, I have the confidence to. Um, give up practice time to be practicing the mental side of the game, not just the physical side of the game with my whole team. So, yeah, and I think it's, uh, again, made, um, a drastic difference with my girls. I also use it as kind of a recruiting strategy for those, you know, considering joining my team of like, this is where we focus. Um, again, we will spend just as much time on the mental side of the game as we will on the physical stuff and hitting lessons and all the things so. Yeah. Yeah, it totally is. It's a definite val value add to, to your team because as we all know, as parents, we're like, it's so important and will somebody teach it? And so if you have that as an element in your program, it's, it's huge. So, yeah. Um, I had some other questions in the chat and then we'll, we'll wrap this up. Um, let's see. I, I, there's a comment about neuro fuel, so. It's a question about like, are the lessons video or audio and, okay. So if any of you're familiar with Neuro Fuel, which I am, that is a volleyball specific app that does volleyball visualizations. So it's like just the visualization piece of the game. Um, and I think that can be really helpful. But to your point, um, Erwin, I believe, yeah, they, neuro field doesn't go into some of the other aspects of sports psychology. Like there. Daily mindset routine. Um, the snapback routine, like how to get over mistakes, dealing, you know, like self-talk and awareness around that. Pre-performance routines, like all of that. Um, AirFuel is kind of just in the bucket of visualization for volleyball athletes. So that's what I know about that. Um, okay. I think we got to everything. Thank you so much, Kim, Emily, and Ann, you guys are amazing and I really appreciate you sharing so generously with our community. This is really invaluable because people just wanna know like. What's it actually like? You know, it sounds good, but what, what is it actually like? So thank you so much.