Welcome back to the Raising Elite Competitors podcast. I'm Coach Bre, a mental performance coach for girl athletes, and I'm so excited that you're here listening to this episode, which is a very special one because of the guest we got to bring in that will help all parents of middle school and high school athletes who are wanting to go to college. So Shelly Howard is our guest today, and she is. The best when it comes to helping students be ready for the next level. So that includes when to apply for colleges, what the application process looks like, what you should be doing as a parent of an eighth grader, ninth grader, 10th, 11th, 12th grader, in order to be prepared. For college admission and Shelly is the founder of College Ready. She has spent the last 18 years helping thousands of families get into the right colleges and graduate debt free. She's a mom to four herself. And every one of her kids went to college debt-free, including schools like Harvard, Alabama, and international programs. So in this episode, she's sharing what every mom or dad needs to know about the journey towards a debt-free college experience, how athletics can bolster academic scholarships and what to do if your athlete isn't sure what she wants to study yet. And this isn't just about athletic scholarships, I'm talking about. All the other opportunities that are out there for students to go to college and not have that big burden of debt when they graduate. I'm also really excited because Shelly is actually working closely with our athletes Inside Dream team. Dream team is our. Highest touch six month group coaching and individual coaching program for competitive girl athletes who are wanting to play at the next level. So they get mental game throughout those six months. They learn next level strategies to help give them a competitive edge, but they also every month get to work with a special expert in an area that they need in order to level up. And one of those areas is. College prep. So Shelly is actually coming into dream team. She actually just came in at the time of this recording. She had just come in and done a workshop with our dream team athletes and she is in their, right now in their group chat answering questions and helping athletes specifically on what their college ready plan is and how to go to college debt free. A lot of these athletes inside Dream team are chasing after. Scholarships at the next level, and Shelly is walking alongside them to help them know the best path forward. So I'm really excited for you to listen to this because this is an episode that will apply to all parents of athletes in middle school and in high school that are looking to college as the next step after graduation. Now, before I get into it, I wanna give a shout out to actually one of our dream team athletes. Her name is Abby. And recently she introduced herself, and this is what she wrote. She said, I'm so thankful to be given the opportunity to be supported by these wonderful coaches all around me in this program. I joined Dream Team so that I could work on my mental game and I can strive to be as good of a player on the mental and the physical side of basketball. My biggest goal right now is to be a thousand point score in high school and to be looked at and recruited by at least a division two college. But division one is. The goal, I'm most excited and looking forward to learning about the recruitment process, college Prep and NIL deals. But I'm also really looking forward to the care and rest our body needs so we can thrive and play to the best of our abilities. And I just wanna say, I'm so thankful and blessed to be given this opportunity to work with this amazing program and to work with these amazing coaches. So that is Abby. She's one of our dream team athletes for this season. Season one of Dream Team runs from September to February. We will be opening up season two that will run, for six months, starting in February of 2026. So if Dream Team is something that you think your daughter would be a good fit for, these are mostly high school athletes who are at the top of their game. Meaning that they're playing on top teams, they're looking to play at the next level. If that sounds like your athlete, then dream team might be a really great fit. So you will learn more, and hear more about it. If you're on our email list and you can get our email list by going to. Train her game.com and you'll be in the loop with the next season of Dream Team when we open that up in December for enrollment. All right, without further ado, here is this episode with the wonderful Shelly Howard, the founder of College Ready. Please enjoy as much as I enjoyed interviewing her. All right, Shelly, welcome to the podcast. So excited to share. Thank you for having me. Yes, I am pumped to have you on the podcast because, well, for a lot of reasons, but one of which is that you get to pour into our athletes inside Dream team this month. So at the time of. Episode posting, you'll be in our group hanging out with our athletes who are in dream team, giving them all the information about college prep and college readiness, and what they should be doing to position themselves in the best way possible to not only play at the next level, but thrive and, you know, all the check, all the boxes that they need for the admissions and, and all those things. So really excited to dive into it with you also here. Will you though kick us off with just a little intro. I know you've been on the podcast before, but a little bit of an intro as to what you do and who you help. Absolutely. So, so happy to be here as a scholar athlete, myself and a female competitor. When I first met you, I was like, I so wish I had somebody like you on my side. So, as far as myself, my name is Shelly Howard and I am the founder and CEO of college ready. I've actually helped people for over the 18 years. Do the admissions process to get into college and to graduate without debt. So we'll talk about both of those. I'm a mother of four, two boys, two girls. My son, attended Harvard uc, San Diego Medical, and UCLA Orthopedic surgery. He is now 31 and he was a competitive soccer player and he rode crew for Harvard, so he also was a scholar athlete. My second was a competitive cheerleader, very elite competitive cheerleader, and she went to the University of Alabama. Her dream school graduated from their debt-free and she's now a pediatric emergency room nurse. My third went to San Francisco State. He was a competitor in the world of lifeguarding. So all things water and water polo. And, my fourth, she wanted nothing to do with sports. Okay. And she wanted to go a totally different path. And so it was fun. She ended up going to Prague, studying international business in Europe. All four have now graduated college and I am now in my new season of planning two weddings. So, so excited parents to share with you all of the wisdom of getting into college and how to be a scholar athlete with, still keeping your mind on your money. Hmm. I love that. That sounds great. Because I think parents that are listening, we have kids of all varying ages. So if your daughter is or son is just maybe even starting middle school, we have listeners who, you know, they're just. They're 12, 11, 12 years old, and they're listening. And then we have some on the opposite end of the spectrum. Like they're flying out this year or next year and so, and everything in between. So I'm hoping that what you share today, and I know that it will kinda be applicable to, you know, wherever they are in the journey. I know that there's more, more pressure for those parents of juniors and seniors, but I think this is good knowledge for everybody. I wanna start out with, I mean, you've helped, like you said, thousands of families navigate this process. What's one of the mistakes, what's some of the number one mistakes that you see families of athletes or even non-athletes make when it comes to planning for college or the next step? We start there for sure. So we always have to start with this painful one. The best way I can help you think of this, parents is lacking the plan is. Is really the biggest problem. Mm-hmm. So many people think that their child is the next greatest thing. And I did, all of my kids, I thought they were amazing. You know, you see'em on the soccer field when they're three. These, some kids just naturally have that athletic talent or the academic talent, whichever. And so at that point. You might be thinking, we're just gonna chase an athletic scholarship, or we're just going to, you know, go in on one sport, or what does that look like? So I would say the biggest mistake that I see for scholar athletes is that they put all of their eggs in one basket instead of having a plan A, A, B, and a C, or we call it D one, D two and D three. Yeah. I mean, because obviously we have a lot of athletes that are in our community and in our world and time after time, you know, we do kind of these, these intake surveys of when they come into the elite mental game and I ask them what your goals are, and I would say 90% of them say to play division one, whatever their sport is and. The statistics are just not there, to support that. You know, that most athletes are not going to, and I'm not saying that to like burst their bubbles because, a lot are, and especially those athletes that are inside Dream team with us, like they are at that level, but for the majority, it's probably not going to be a full ride division one athletic scholarship. Correct. What would it be instead? So here's the thing I like families to, to understand is college is a business. And I say this all of the time because if you really start to think about college as a business and not as this dream of the future, it's a lot easier to understand the thought process that goes into it. So if your sport generates money for the university. There's more money available for that sport. Mm-hmm. If your sport doesn't generate any money for the university, there's a lot less money. Right. It's just pure business, money in, money out. So, and again, I never dissuade or discourage ever for any student, if that's their dream, go get it and go all in. But I also am here to be honest with families and say. You can have the dream of athletics, but with one injury, that dream can fade away quickly. And what else are you gonna have a plan for? So we call it plan A, plan B, plan C. Plan A is let them dream, let them go. Full ride if that's what they're dreaming. And then we know if they're not all League All State, if they're not being sought after by a D one coach, they might need to start really laying out D 2D three. And that's not a bad thing. But if you want money, you wanna be thinking they need to take the S-A-T-A-C-T, they need to have a high GPA. They need to have a standout strategy. So. That's the, in a perfect world, that's what I'd recommend for families is to be mindful of, yes, having a brilliant, you know, athletic coach and using the dream team and what we're talking about today. But like anything else, we know better that we need a backup plan. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And so even like, aside from athletics at the college level. Because some parents that are listening are like, yeah, my daughter actually, she probably won't play her sport in college. What else exists out there to help families go to college? Graduate college debt free.'cause that's a pretty amazing thing. Right. And if I didn't do it myself, I probably wouldn't believe it to be true. I was middle class family and, living in California and my kids were blonde hair and blue white and really didn't have a terrible life. And so I'm thinking, who's gonna give them money? You know? Yeah. And what I realized when I helped my firstborn go through this process, he applied to 12 schools, got into 11, had seven full rides. So I'm gonna just tell your listeners, this is what it comes down to. What is on their resume again, college is a business. If I come to you, listener and I say, I really wanna work for you, I wanna go so bad. Like I, I'll do whatever it takes. And you say, great. Show me your experience. What have you done? And I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah. Kind of too busy to build a resume. Don't really have one, but I really, really, really wanna go with you. And you say, then I'll pay you minimum wage. There's no scholarships. Mm-hmm. But child number two comes to you and they say, I really wanna work for you. And you go, great. How are you going to do when you get here and you go, oh, look at three page resume. I could run your company. I have proof. I've led, I've got service hours. I've I, I am the candidate that's gonna make your life so easy that you could truly leave and go on vacation. And they're like, wow, I have a lot of money available to you. Mm-hmm. And college is the same way. If your child has a high GPA and a high test score, that will get them into a college, but that's not gonna set them apart at an elite college. Mm-hmm. At a, at a basic college, yes, that could be, but most of the big money comes from picking the right college for the right student. That is the right academic fit, the social fit, the athletic fit, and the financial fit. So let's talk about the academic fit. Do you want your student to be the big fish in the small C or the small fish in the big C? Mm-hmm. Do you want them to fight for every A with every other genius student at an Ivy League? Right? Is that something that's gonna be mentally okay for them? Some students, yes. I have lots of them in my program and some of them, no way that will sink their shit. Then you have test scores. Right. Somebody's gonna have a higher test score. Somebody's a lower, there's no test optional. Don't believe it for a minute. You need a good test score because if you have a high GPA and a low test score, colleges think easy as cheating or massive test TE test anxiety. You don't want any of that to be considered. Yeah. So you need to have a solid platform. Those are two. Now you wanna think what else is there? This is what gets you scholarships at what? It's what gets you accepted. And that is what is your passion with purpose? What have you done to demonstrate the major you wanna go into or the career that you're dreaming of? Or your future, what have you done? So I can be like, oh my gosh, they're gonna excel at my university. Mm-hmm. So much so they're gonna come and lead others to be great here. Guess who pays for that? The university pays for that. Mm-hmm. It's like a, volleyball coach at a university. If you come to them and you're very tall and you're a spike. Outside hitter and you have mini kills, they're gonna pay for that, right? If you walk under the net like me, they're not gonna probably pay me much money because I would not be a good outside hitter. Mm-hmm. So it all comes down to what have you done to set yourself apart. The second thing is they are gonna ask, who are you? Not you the parents. The student. Mm-hmm. Because if the student can articulate how amazing they are, right? How many records they've broke, how many stats they can share, how fast they can run video, the more they can prove their greatness, the more money there's available. Mm-hmm. So it really comes down to. What do you wanna spend your time and energy on? Do you wanna be the very, very best, but you're too small for your sport? Mm-hmm. Reality, some of us are just not built, and that's why I use myself as an example. I love sand volleyball so much, but in the sand I lose about another foot so I can really walk underneath the net. And so I knew as much as I love volleyball. I was never gonna play. Never other than intramural or on the beach on the weekend. Mm-hmm. And that's okay. I still want all of the students to know that they can do it, but they need to be very careful when they choose to only have one plan. A. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That, that's huge. And don't think you can overemphasize that. And I know that we probably have parents listening who are wondering like about. Their mind might go to, what's the recruiting process? What's the difference between Division one two? We talked about that and that's why we, we have a recruiting expert inside Dream team who is more specific to those type of questions, but what you're saying is. Honestly more important or you know, just as if not more important because you're also talking like fit for the student. And so what do you often recommend parents do to help their, child figure that out? Like, where do they even start? Because I hear, you know, in working with kids, they're like, I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go to school in San Diego because I love the beach. Or like. I'm gonna go to Florida because I wanna be on, I wanna be on the beach, I wanna be sunny all the time. And that's like their basis for how they choose schools, right? And so the first thing I would help, families remember is they're only 15, 16, 17, and 18. I don't know about you parents, but I was a little squirrely back then and I didn't have my whole future figured out. So the problem is colleges are forcing them. To have it figured out. So because we know that we, as adult, I say we as a village, right? It come, it comes down to what you're doing in the Dream team, what I'm doing at college ready. Mm-hmm. And you, the parent, like, how do we really support this young person? Because nobody at their high school's gonna be helping them do this. Right. If you think they are, ask them how many times their high school counselor talked about getting recruited at a college, or how will the family pay for college or get scholarships? You'll figure out very soon, this is up to you and them if you wanna do it alone. Otherwise you get support. So here's the thing. You wanna be mindful of how. Do I help and support them? Well, if they're a teenager and they don't even wanna talk to you about what they did at school today or what they ate for lunch, this is gonna be incredibly painful for your family. Yeah, I paid somebody to work with my second daughter because we had a little bit more of a challenging relationship when she was a teenager. My first three, not so much I could talk about anything and everything. Different child, different situation. So knowing your child is the first place you wanna start. If you have a child that answers you more than yes or no, let's really get clarity there. Yeah, that's right. And they wanna share, right? They're, they're like, this happened and this happened, and I, you know, that they're very excited to share with you. Congratulations. That's a wonderful thing. And you wanna start asking them. Open-ended questions, and here's the first one I always ask a student, who are you? If they look at you with big eyes and shrug, you have a lot of work ahead of yourself. If they're, well, I'm your daughter, okay? They recognize you as leading their family, but that's not what's gonna get them into college. Or, I am a rugby player. Okay, great. That's, that's one of their identities. But if they stop there, that's just as dangerous because if they get injured and now they don't have another identity, they're gonna really struggle with who am I? Mm-hmm. So helping them get clarity, and here's what you're gonna ask them if they get stuck on this, I want you to say, what would your best friend tell me who you are? Hmm. And now they're like, oh yeah. They would say, I'm considerate, I'm a great friend. And oh, well, did they lie? No, of course they wonderful. Now what would your grandparent or aunt or uncle, tell you? And they're like, oh, they always brag and it's so embarrassing, and I'm like, great, that's what I wanna hear. Tell me what they would say. And they're like, okay. And then they tell you and you're like, did they lie? And you're like, no, but it's so embarrassing. I'm like, listen, if you can't tell me how are you going to tell colleges or a coach how amazing you are? I know that we've taught you. Don't brag, don't boast. People don't like it. And now we have to teach them, give us a reason. To hire you, to bring you into our team, to bring you into our college because parents, colleges don't wanna hear from you. Yeah, they really don't either. Just does the admissions office, and so if you reach out to the admissions office, they make a note in your file. The child's too immature. That's not what we want on their file. So hopefully did that answer your question? Yeah. Yeah. That is so helpful to just kind of start even the conversation with your daughter, with your son, about like what the possibilities might open up. Mm-hmm. I am curious, can you give us a little bit of a timeline if we're talking like, we have parents of eighth graders or incoming freshmen, you know, all the way through senior year. What they should be considering and doing at each of those stages. So number one is, we start working with students in middle school. It could be seventh grade, it could be eighth grade. Mm-hmm. It gives them a longer runway. And what I mean by that is it gives them more time to start doing this self-analysis, the self-realization, this ability to talk about what they've accomplished. Versus taking them at the very end. So I want to praise you if you're there, but let's get real. Not everybody's there. I do this for a living and I'm meeting with high school seniors right now who still cannot pick a college, and they're panicking and they're absolutely terrified because applications are now happening. Mm-hmm. And so I wanna speak to the whole listener group. And so the timeline looks like this. Colleges start to pay attention, they start allowing you to brag, I guess is the right word, to start to, get clarity when the student promotes from eighth grade. So all of the community service, all of the extracurriculars, all of the sports teams, club, so on and so forth. That summer between eighth grade and the freshman year in high school is the one most students skip. Mm-hmm. They have fun. They're enjoying the beach. They're just really having a great time. And don't stop doing that. Yeah. But be mindful. What else could they be doing to also help them be thinking about who am I, what do I wanna do for my future, and how am I gonna get there? And it could be super fun. My daughter created Dress of Hope where her and her girlfriends taught themself how to sew little dresses out of pillowcase and send them all over the world because they thought that every little girl should know what it feels like to wear a pretty little dress. Aw. That's what they did with their summer. Is that like child labor? No, they had. So much fun pizza parties every Friday night having a blast with their friends. So please know, I'm not saying get intense about this. I'm saying give them opportunities to explore. And so that's step one. That is a middle school. They are exploring community service. They're exploring leadership. They're exploring their sport. They are really starting to get clarity of what are my gifts and what are my talents? Okay? Mm-hmm. Then by the time they hit their freshman year, everybody's gonna hit it different. If you have a student who is starting their freshman year in algebra two, they're on a very different path than a student who is starting in algebra one or math before that. So just know that I can't speak specifically on a podcast that needs generalities, right? But I want to all know I have students who take the SAT and the A CT their freshman year and get a perfect score. Is that every child? No way. I have some that need to take it. Multiple times throughout their years, and they're still taking it their senior year. So please know, we help students from a 2.8 GPA all the way to a 5.0. So everybody has their own path and we teach them to stay in their own lane of greatness. So what does that timeline look like you wanna have your four year academic plan set as soon as possible. You wanna have your test strategy. What ap, IB and dual enrollment will you take? When will you take the P-S-A-T-S-A-T and a CT? You want to have a plan for what Community service or passion with purpose project that you're going to lead. What are you gonna do for your extracurriculars? Remember, the common app asks for 10 activities, honors and awards that you see. Application asks for 20. And so if you wait, it is a very stressful time. Yeah. And then you get into letters of recommendation. What teachers are you going to ask? Have a plan now. Don't wait until it's too late. And then essays, are you a good essay writer? If you're not, you wanna be. Mm-hmm. So making sure that your child has one enough essay topics to write about, and two, that they write well. Okay. Colleges know if they use AI colleges, know your parents write it. So don't think for a moment that you can get through this without doing all of this on your own. Yeah. And I know that's something you're gonna be helping our dream team athletes with specifically, because I think it's too easy, too easy that temptation of like, child GBT write this for me. But it's so, so easy to spot nowadays. Okay. That was all super informative and awesome. I can't remember if it was you that recommended this, but I remember, I don't know, it popped into my head that I'm gonna start doing with my kids is like, make a binder. Were you saying that with like mm-hmm. The, yeah. Can you explain that? Like for the moms and dads who are maybe earlier on in the journey just to start working? Sure, sure. I think it's important. So I started doing it in about third grade, and I know that seems really early, but why I did it is so I could show my child how amazing they are, right? So many times they get the, this award for perfect attendance. Which is so, it seems so little, but if that meant a lot for them, put it in, I call it a brag binder. Mm-hmm. Put it in their brag binder and you don't have to talk about it all the time, but when they're feeling low or they're feeling like I'm not really smart, or I'm not very good, pull out the brag binder and. Did you not really accomplish this? So I started young just to help them to build that awareness. Especially as an athlete, right? I mean mm-hmm. It the first yellow card my son got in soccer, I celebrated parents. I'm sorry if that seems wrong to you. Oh yeah. But he was the most timid child. He'd run away from any type of contact with other. Children, well mm-hmm. That's soccer. And so I remember I took a picture of a yellow card and I put it in there and I said, that was a big deal for you. Yeah. Like you learned how to play the game. Mm-hmm. And so you do it for sports, you do it for academia, but when you start to do it for college is when they promote from eighth grade and that's when you start to keep track of all of their academic hours. Or their academic awards, any type of honor, any type of community service, anything that you can show them. Here's an example of when you led somebody. Mm-hmm. Here's an example of when you were voted, best athlete to coach, whatever that is. Yeah. And so a brag binder serves two purposes. One, it's your memory. Let's be honest, parents, we're driving our kids everywhere. If you have more than one, it's really hard to keep track. Even with one, it's hard to keep track. And the other thing is, I started, now that we have our phones with us everywhere, I started a, a photo folder that I kept each of my children's honors and awards and I just had pictures. And so I would keep all of their pictures in one folder. And that was a good way to not forget all of the amazing things they've done. Mm-hmm. Okay. I love that. And super practical. Okay. This is great, chill. I do have one more question for you. It's kind of a broad one because it was what we were chatting about before we started recording. It was something that, you know, you've been hearing from parents. I just asked you, what are you, what are you hearing from parents in your community? What are they worried about? And I think it's a big one. So can you explain what that is and kind of what your response has been to the parents who are worried? Absolutely. So, for your listeners, and when I'm on a podcast, I will. Often give 30 minutes of my time to answer specific questions. So families call me up and or we hop on a zoom call, sorry. And I will ask, you know, what got you on the call today? And I would say right now, probably over the last six months, nine outta 10 will start out by saying, my child doesn't know what they want to major in. They don't know what they want for a career. They are feeling stressed out and overwhelmed and can you help them? And it's been pretty consistent. And so when you asked me earlier, that was the first thing that came to mind. And parents, if you have that child or you're feeling that way, go to college ready Plan info. It's the best way you get 30 minutes with me where we get to talk about that one question that you have that's been burning or that support. And I will, I will happily. Answer that, but I'm gonna give it to the majority of you and then you can navigate it. Mm-hmm. So the very first thing you want to be mindful of is, is your child the kind of student who studies really, really, really hard for their be or do they, it looks like they're never studying and they get all As. That, that's the first thing I want you to be thinking about. Mm-hmm.'cause you have to stay in their, I call it their area of genius, whatever that is. If you have an academia student who is like, tell me more. Give me another book. Can we go to the library? Like it's just relentless. I had one of those and you're like. Just chill, like have fun, like what are you doing? Because I wasn't like that. And so I remember like it feeling heavy, but it wasn't him that was feeling heavy. It was me. Mm-hmm. And I. I'm like, wait a minute, this is my issue, not his. He's asking for this, not me. And then I had my second child and she was like, I don't like reading. Why do you always make me read? I wanna go out and play. I wanna tumble, I wanna do gymnastics. I want, she's a very physical child. Mm-hmm. And so I started looking at, wow, when we learn things, we need to be in movement with her. So, do you see where I'm heading? Parents? It's like knowing your child. So then when it comes down to the question that we were talking about, how do we find the right career, the right major, I'll tell you how we do it. The first thing we do is we help them figure out what are their core values? What are those things that you've instilled in them or that they've come up with on their own that is not gonna change by the time they're in eighth grade. It is really rare. That a core value will change after eighth grade. So we wanna stay true to that, human being and keep them in that area of, yes, this is important to me. Then the next thing we do is we help them. What are you really good at? Mm-hmm. And here's the challenge. If you have a child that's really good at a lot of things, this is a real thing. It's harder for them to figure this out. Yeah, because they're really good at a lot of things and they could go any which way for a child who's like, I am not really good at much, but I'm really super good at building things, or I'm really great at drawing, or they know this is a superpower, it's a lot easier to help guide them. But here's the thing. I'm gonna be honest. I'm a parent when I try to do this with my own children. They're like, you just don't want me to be an artist, or you just don't want me to be a botanist, or, you know, they, they think it's me judging them, and it's really hard. They're teenagers, right? I, I don't wanna make this sound so easy that everybody's like, great, I'm gonna just fix this problem. That's not what's gonna happen. So it's important to know your child. If they will not open up to you and talk about why they wanna be a botanist or why they wanna be an art artist, then you need to have somebody else do it. You need an a totally neutral party to step in there to be their coach, their mentor that person who has, I have no opinion of what they wanna do. Yeah. And so they know. If they tell me, I'm gonna be like, wow, that's really, that's amazing. Tell me more. And they're like, oh yeah, so I wanted da, da, da da da. And before you know it, they're just downloading all of the things that they're been keeping so pinned up. They really do have a better idea. They're really scared that somebody's gonna judge them for that idea and not, I'm not saying parents, that's you, but how they feel is their reality. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's what we need to give them support with. And that's why I love the program that you're doing. Because it's offering a safe space for these young women, young girls, young women, to ask the silly question, to not have to know all the answers, to know that we're there as their mentor, to support them with their dream and have no judgment, right? Mm-hmm. None of us who's in this program is judging. We're all leaning in going, how do we get you there? Yeah. And that's why I think it's important that families know sometimes it just can't be them. Yeah. So good. So that is a perfect segue into, helping families know where they can learn more to find more of your resources and, and all that. So, will you share, you know, what, what you've got as a next step for them? Absolutely. So I'm a big giver, so I'm gonna give you lots of opportunities. Families, right now I have my two bestselling books. How to Send Your Student To College Without Losing Your Mind or Your Money. And the College Admissions Plan simplified both of them. I have on Amazon at 99 cents for you right now, so when this drops, don't put. Put it on the side, go and get it, because they will go back up to, I think,$12. So if you don't care, that's okay. Mm-hmm. Then after that, college ready plan.com. So it's college ready, PLA n.com. That's our website. I give a ton if you wanna know where to get scholarships, if you wanna know what they should do over the summer, internships, research projects, whatever that is. Go on that site. If you're like, I just need 30 minutes with you, or My child needs 30 minutes with you, Shelly, go to college Ready Plan info. As I said, big giver. And also in your program, I'm giving two online classes. One is called Passion with A Purpose, and the other is College Ready, debt free. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited for that. So our dream team kiddos will get that this week. They'll get to be with you live this week. You'll be in the, group chat with us. So really excited for all of that. And also just thank you, Shelley, for being so generous in sharing what you did on today's episode and also with the other resources so that parents can find more. So thank you so much again. It's been my pleasure.