1:12

And welcome back to the racing unstoppable girl athletes podcast. I'm coach brief and elite depended her coach for girl athletes. And I am so excited that you are here, whether you're just getting going on this sports mom journey, or you have a lot of seasons under your belt. This podcast is for you to help, you know, how to raise a confident girl athlete who is mentally tough and also so that you can enjoy this whole sports journey as well. Now today's episode is a great one. We have Tonya Sims. She is a recruiting expert, and she's talking all about how to get noticed by college coaches. So if your athlete. Is wanting to play the next level, or maybe she's even just curious at playing at the next level. This is a great conversation with Tanya answering some typical questions related to recruiting, how to get recruited when you should start. If your daughter is young, versus if she's a senior kind of what actions you should be taking right now to help set her up for that next level. Now. Before we get into the episode, I want to highlight a mom in our community. You, so Lynn is coming through the lead competitive program right now with her twin daughters. And this is what she said recently in our group. She said progress. One of my twin daughters was praised by several parents in practice tonight saying she quote, looked like a different player and asking what kind of juice did she drink on the way home? She said, mom, thank you so much for the elite competitor training, I was doing my visualization. Realizations. And I think it was a working. So congratulations, Lynn, I got goosebumps when you dropped that that progress in our group because amazing. You provided your daughter the opportunity to work on her mental game. She's eating it up. She's seeing the differences and it's pretty cool when other people see those differences too. So. I keep it up. Can't wait to hear how things go through the rest of the program. All right. We're going to get into today's episode. Like I said, we're chatting with Tanya SIM. She's a recruiting expert. We are talking about how to get started in the recruiting process. Where you should get started if your daughter's in. You know, sixth grade, seventh grader, she's a senior in high school or anywhere in between. What athletes can be doing now really how to get noticed by college coaches. Are the platforms that you can pay for worth the money should you do that what about social media what role do parents play what should they do or shouldn't they do all those things We're going to be covering in this episode so go ahead and enjoy. I hope that it provides you with as much insight as I gained by talking to Tanya.

Breanne 3:40

Hello Tanya. Welcome back to the Raising Unstoppable Girl Athletes Podcast.

Tonya 3:46

Thanks for having me. It's very good to be here. It's good to see you as well.

Breanne 3:49

Yes. And Tanya has been on in the past, but it's been a while. And Tanya's was one of our coaches in our community. Teaching all things recruiting. So Tanya, can you give us first just a background on who you are and what you do?

Tonya 4:05

Yeah, so my name is Tanya Sims. I am the founder and c e o of a company called Upper Level Sports Academy. And it, you know, I'm a college sports consultant where I help parents you know, with kids who play sports. I help Guide them through the recruiting journey. So that's what I do. That's my company and my background is in sports. I mean, pretty much, you know, I grew up playing every sport under the sun, soccer, softball and high school was a three sport athlete. Got recruited in all three sports, basketball, volleyball, and high jump. But I ended up playing basketball and college at, at D one college and I also played professionally overseas and a little bit in the W N B A got caught after the first game, but but it was still a good experience. But yeah, I mean, in my company I really help parents of like all sports because you know, it, it's pretty much for every sport. The recruiting process is still gonna be very similar. You know, there are a lot of similarities. So I do help parents and with kids in all sports. Wow. That's awesome.

Breanne 5:00

I love that you, you've been there and I, I had forgotten maybe that you were recruited in all three of the sports that you played. That's amazing. Thanks. So yeah, you've been there and now you get to help others get there as well. So yeah, we're talking about how to get noticed by college coaches and so we have a variety of moms who have athletes of different ages, right. We have. Athletes that are, you know, just starting out in their sport, maybe around like eight or nine. Mm-hmm. And then we also have athletes who are seniors in high school or even beyond. Okay. So maybe, you know, we wouldn't necessarily be speaking to them as much because Yeah. They're already there. Yeah. The college athletes. But let's just start with overall. Mm-hmm. Where do we start in this recruiting process?

Tonya 5:46

Yeah, we're just, so to start, I would say, I mean there's a, you know, different things I can think of, but I mean, if, to get noticed by college coaches really You know, you gotta put yourself out there, you know, like I would say definitely making sure that you're playing on the right club or a, a u teams that are getting exposure. I mean, there's so many like of these club and a a u teams out there not knocking it, but you know, you gotta make sure that you get with the right team to get exposure from, like, from college coaches because college coaches really aren't going to be coming to your end season games, like, you know, during the season, unless they're like really interested in a recruit, they're going to be at those, you know, summer or those off season tournaments. A a u club tournaments where they can see a lot of different players at once. Because, you know, end season, they're just looking at one player usually when they're coming to a game in season. Whereas in the off season, they're looking at many different players. So that's one thing. To get noticed by college coaches. But the other thing I would say is filling out recruiting questionnaires. That's something that recruiting forms online. You can find them on the the, you know, college's athletic website. It's just like a form with three different parts. You know, your personal information, academic information, your athletic information, like your stats times, rankings, depending on the sports. Fill those out like as soon as possible. You can always update them, you know, if there's something new, but they go straight to the college coaches database, straight to their email. And it definitely will help you put, put you on the radar. And emailing college coaches as well is obviously very good. I mean, you know, only roughly like 2% of a student athletes in high school go to play on at the top level, the D one level, so the other 98%, they really have to work hard, harder to get seen and noticed. And so emailing college coaches and using social media as well is definitely a very good strategy.

Breanne 7:32

Yeah. Okay. You hit on a lot of really great high level things. I, one question popped up. I actually get this asked to me a lot and I'm, I don't know how to answer it. You're the expert in this. You mentioned club teams and getting on the right club team. Would you recommend an athlete when they, if they have the choice to play on a higher level team that's maybe going to more National qualifying tournaments where college churches are going to be, but they're not maybe in a role where they're getting a lot of playing time. Right. So that's option. Or playing on a team that maybe is not going to those national qualifiers, but getting a lot of playing time.

Tonya 8:08

Yeah, that's a great question. I actually get this a lot, so I would say like maybe if you're not quite ready, Or that like higher level, you know, like club or AAU team experience, like you're not gonna get a lot of playing time. I would actually suggest maybe playing on the lower tier team. Mm-hmm. Building your skills up, getting your confidence you know, just getting better as an, you know, becoming better as an athlete or whatever, you know, depending on the sport you play. And then when you're ready, going to more of like a higher tier team where you are gonna get more exposure to college coaches that's what I would recommend.

Breanne 8:41

Yeah. Okay. That's good. And then as far as the role that film plays in all of this, I mean, that made me think of if, if an athlete is. Playing, they're getting, playing time, then they're getting opportunities to get film. Mm-hmm. And how important is that in the recruiting

Tonya 8:56

process? It is crucial. Like what, what, what's, what's the saying in online marketing? Like video is king or something, or Condos king. Yeah. I mean, it's like crucial, especially in this day and age. And you know, unfortunately, you know, we had to go through this awful pandemic, you know, it's just, it's been, it was awful. But The recruiting kind of changed during the pandemic. I mean, video was important before, but during the pandemic video for recruiting became like even more important. And it's kind of a trend that's actually stayed, you know, even though we're kind of pulse pandemic. So video is so, so crucial because oftentimes that is like the first. Point of contact, like the first time a college coach is like seeing, you know, your child or, you know play or compete. So that could be like, you know, opening the door having that highlight reel, having that video, and it could be the first step of them getting recruited. Yeah. Oh,

Breanne 9:49

that's, yeah. That's great. One other question that just popped into my head is showcases and ID camps and all of that. How important are those? Like, should, should athletes be going to those?

Tonya 10:01

Yeah, I would say they're very important depending on what college coaches that are going to be there. Mm-hmm. And if there are gonna be college coaches there, like, I'll give you an example. Like, let's say you know, your you wanna go, you know, your child wants to play in an at an ID camp or showcase, and they wanna go more like, I don't know, d. One or something. Right. But if they go to a showcase where there's like more like D three DQ colleges. Then it might not be a as good of an an investment. It could go the other way too. Like if your child is more of like a D three recruit and there's like D one and college coaches there, you know, it might, you know, there might be some missed opportunity. But I would say like anytime I. You send your child or your child wants to go to an ID camp or showcase, if you can get a list of college coaches that are going to be in attendance or colleges that'll be in attendance mm-hmm. Before you go to the showcase or the camp. Mm-hmm. And get a list of those college coaches and send them an email before you, you know, your child can send 'em an email before they actually attend the showcase or camp. They'll let the college coach know that they'll be in attendance. I think that's a really good way also to like, you know, just show like leadership to college coaches and mm-hmm. That you're not afraid to like, interact with them and, you know, I'm sure they would appreciate the heads up too. Yeah.

Breanne 11:20

That's a great, great tip. Mm-hmm. Okay. How early should this whole recruiting thing start happening?

Tonya 11:29

Oh, that's a great question. So I would say I'll just tell you a little story. Like, so for me I remember when I was like 13. I was in the summer going into my eighth grade year, so I was seventh grade going seventh grade going into eighth grade. I was playing a youth basketball for the first time, and I was at a tournament in Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona, many miles away from Wisconsin where I grew up. Mm-hmm. I played absolutely horrible. I remember I was so bad, so bad, but when I got home like two weeks later, I actually got a letter from a college coach. It was like recruiting material, and I was like, wow. Like they're sending me a letter and I was horrible, you know? But it just taught me that, you know, this is what I teach parents as well as like the athletes that I work with. Mm-hmm. It is best to start the recruiting process early. So I would say like, you know, seventh, eighth grade, even like, you know, like ninth grade as well. Even though there are like different like recruiting rules In terms of like when college coaches can actually reach back out, but that's okay if maybe it's like, you know, you're a woman's soccer player and they can't reach out to you. I think it's like June 15th after your sophomore year, but still, you don't want, you don't wanna wait until your sophomore year to do that. To start getting on the radar. You wanna get on the radar as soon as possible. Mm-hmm.

Breanne 12:41

Yeah. Okay. That's good. So let's talk to those parents of athletes who are in that, like eighth grade, ninth grade, or Yeah, eighth grade. Ninth grade timeframe. Mm-hmm. Sure. Then we'll, we'll talk to, we'll talk to the older ones too. So if you're a parent, you're like, well, I'm done. You're not, but, okay. So say we are in that camp of like middle school, early high school. Mm-hmm. What would you recommend they do first?

Tonya 13:02

Well you know, building relationships is like, Key for recruiting. I mean, you have to get the college coach to like, know, like, and trust you. And that takes time on a, you know, most times that takes some, that takes time. So I would say you know, filling out those recruiting questionnaires for forms online is a good way to get, you know, start getting on their radar. I would even also say, and this could work for the older kids as well Because like the younger kids, you know eighth grade, ninth grade college coaches can't really reach out to them yet. Mm-hmm. But maybe you can have your coach, like, I don't know, your high school coach, your club coach or something, reach out to the college coach and say, Hey, you know, I got this player. They're really, you know, they're on an up and coming player. They're really good. They're interested in maybe coming to your college, you know, check them out. Mm-hmm. So that's another way as well. And you could send email to at that stage, but just, you know, don't get like discouraged if the college coach can't. Reach out yet because of the recruiting rules, but there's ways to like track the email, your emails that you're sending to see if they're being open by the college coach to see if they're clicking on your highlight reel in the col, you know, in the, in the emails as well.

Breanne 14:08

Yeah. Okay. That's good. So just kinda get your name out there. Don't be discouraged if you're not getting anything back, because it might not even be possible until, right. Yeah. Sophomore year. Okay.

Tonya 14:19

Oh, go ahead. Oh, I'm sorry. I was, I was also gonna say building a social media presence. Oh, yes. Very important too. I mean, I, I have a love-hate relationship with social me, social media, to be honest. Yeah. But I would definitely say, you know, I'm sure like, you know, parents are monitoring their ch kids on social media. Mm-hmm. So I mean, I would, you know, Instagram, I'm seeing more kids getting recruited off Instagram Twitter and Twitter. I mean, Twitter's great for certain sports for recruiting but but yeah, Instagram is great. Twitter's great too for like re recruiting. That's where most of the coaches or coaches, college coaches will, will be on those two platforms. Okay, that's

Breanne 14:51

good. What should they be putting on there?

Tonya 14:53

It really depends, I would say on Instagram, you know, because it's more of a visual platform. And well, and, and you know, Twitter's not as visual, but you can still use the same strategies. So like you can post different things like you know Highlight your highlight rules or like clips of you competing or playing in your sport. And you can post I dunno, like your GPA test scores or like, Hey, you got a good, you know, score on this. Or you're, you made National Honor Society. They can post inspirational quotes, motivational videos. Mm-hmm. They can post videos of them you know, cheering on their teammates, you know, pictures of them cheering on their teammates or making a good play. You know, just like kinda, I would say add variety.

Breanne 15:29

Okay, so this should be an account that's like specifically focused on recruiting, like their sport, maybe not their personal

Tonya 15:36

account. I would say, I mean, they could add personal stuff in, but I would just be very careful. Like, I would say like I don't know, like if you're having dinner with your family, you know, to sort show that your family oriented or like you're hanging with your friends, but you know, just keep it professional. Mm-hmm. I think that'll be fine. Yeah. Okay.

Breanne 15:52

That's good. Okay. And what about the older, the older athletes? So say we still have, we have an athlete who wants, wants to be college bound in their sports. Mm-hmm. But they're, you know, they're a junior or a senior. What recommendations would

Tonya 16:03

you have there? Very aggressive strategy because it's very late in the process. Mm-hmm. Even junior year sometimes can be very pretty late because, you know, recruiting is all about building relationships, as I was saying earlier, and that sometimes takes time, sometimes years to do that. So I would definitely say, you know, getting your high school coach, club coaches, AAU coaches to make those phone calls for you mm-hmm. To college coaches. That's why it's so important to have a good relationship with your high school coach, with your club coaches. Yeah. Remember Burner Bridge and then you know, an aggressive email strategy. Now, when I say aggressive, I don't, I'm not talking about like, being aggressive in your emails, you know, like the way that you, the like, like the tone of voice. Yeah. I'm just saying like, You know, send out the emails. Then you gotta follow up like, Once a week, you know, if you don't hear back and you know, like if the coach gets back to you, like reply right away. But I would definitely be following up like once a week, especially if I'm a senior in high school. Yeah, so a very aggressive strategy follow up strategy you know social media Twitter, Instagram, start following coaches, start interacting with them. Start direct messaging them. Yeah. As well. I mean, yeah. It ha it's, you know, it's late in the game. That's why I always encourage parents and their athletes. And their kids start early. It's never too early to start. And I remember talking to like a division one coach like a couple years ago and they told me yeah, like they're like when kids come to their camps and that's another good way too. Mm-hmm. If you know, if it's within your budget go to a camp on, at the college that you're in, that your child is interested in. Oh yeah. Send 'em to the camp. They can get right in front of the college coaches. Mm-hmm. Showcase their, their talent. So there's a division one coach I was talking to a couple years, maybe like a year ago. They said, yeah, you know, when kids come to our camps, fourth, fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, you know, we actually start. Monitoring, like their progress? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean it's, and you know, like in each year they come back, we monitor to see, oh, have they gotten better? And maybe that's somebody that we can start recruiting. So, yeah.

Breanne 18:05

Oh, that's a great, a great tip. Yeah. Okay, well, I'm not note as far as like, you know, you going to the, the camp of the college that you're interested in. Mm-hmm. Do you have any tips on like how to help athletes narrow where, like what, what college they should or could attend or want to attend?

Tonya 18:22

Yeah, well there, there's a, you know, there's a framework. It's not one that I created, it's one that some people are, are familiar with. It's the dream wait, dream target, safety framework. Oh, yeah. Where you start making your college list. I definitely would recommend putting like 25 to 30 colleges on that list of, on your wish list. I know it seems like a lot, but you know, it's gonna start narrowing down until you wanna be left with options. Yeah, so like the dream schools are like the schools that, you know, you dream about going to. Maybe you don't meet some of the criteria academically or athletically, but this is your dream college. Your target colleges are the ones where you you just, you just meet the standard, right? You just are just as athletic, just as academically capable. Those are your target schools and your safety schools are where you like exceed. All expectations, right? You exceed everything academically. You exceed everything athletically. So what I recommend is, you know, having those 25 to 30 colleges on that, on that list, separate them into dream target and safety schools, and. I recommend targeting like the target of the safety schools first. I mean, not that, I mean, you can still target the dream schools, but just know that it might be a little better reach, but you know, if that's your dream school, still target them. Yeah. But you'll have a better luck, I feel like, you know, if you do target those. Target and the safety schools first. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Breanne 19:39

That's good. And I know you have a whole process for this too, but can you give us a, just a little snippet of when you say Target or sending those initial emails mm-hmm. Kinda what

Tonya 19:48

should be included in that? Yeah, so that's a good question. So the initial email is very different than like a follow-up email and like a, you know, another follow-up email. So I have a guide called the perfect email guide where I, like, I walk you through step by step of what to send, and there's seven parts of the initial first email to a college coach. Mm-hmm. So the first section is like what I call like, The introduction and intro section introduction and intro section where you're just you know, you're introducing yourself really quickly in a couple, you know, two, three sentences and you're expressing interest in, in their pro, in the college coaches' program. Mm-hmm. The second part is all about in your academics them, oh, you know, I have a gpa, you know, this gpa, I've taken this test score national Honor Society, any awards or anything like that. Third section is athletics. You know, talk about like your, you know, depending on your sport times ranking stats height, weight, you know, if that stuff matters, any awards that you've won, any accomplishments. The next section is highlight reel. You know, that's, and I have to, you know, send some video as well of your, you know, highlight reel. Probably no more than like five to seven minutes. And the next section is what I call, it's like, it's called the unique value proposition section, and that is just like a section where you describe, well, how am I more unique and valuable within the next recruit? I kind of call it like the humble bragging section. You know, where Yeah, here's a chance to like, kind of like express why you're different and why you should be recruited over the next person. Mm-hmm. And then there is the call to action section, which is next. Because what I see a lot of times when recruits send emails to college coaches, they com, they may compose like the perfect email, but they don't have a call to action. And what that means is like you, you definitely need to a, like, tell the coach I, you know, ask them like, oh, I would love, I wrote, you know, a, an email back, like, could you reply to my email? Or, Kim, we set up a phone call. You know, you have to ask them to take action on. Something said that's missing a lot. And then the last section is this, you're. Signing off professionally and you know, sincerely, Jane Doe or Thank you Coach Smith, Jane Doe, and leaving like your, you know, your contact information as well, so, mm-hmm.

Breanne 21:55

Okay. Yeah, that's a great, great framework there. Mm-hmm. Okay, What about recruiting platforms and the things that you should pay for, shouldn't pay for in this whole process?

Tonya 22:06

Ooh, I get that question so much. So you know, recruiting platforms can be really good. I mean, there are some that are really good. There are some that you have to definitely be careful of. I just feel like, you know, in this industry there's, I think people get taken advantage of sometimes. You know, there's a lot of companies who do take advantage of. You know, parents and their athletes, but you, you don't really need a recruiting service. If you're doing all the other things, like reaching out and sending emails and and, you know, I, I mean, the only time I would really, really, really suggest like a, an expensive recruiting service is maybe if like you're. It's middle of your senior year and you haven't started the recruiting process. Hmm. That's maybe, maybe when I would suggest one, but they could be very expensive and sometimes, most times they're not worth the investment. So I would just be careful with that. The other thing I would say about recruiting services is your child wants to play D one, like N C A A, division one, Those coaches aren't gonna be in those platforms. Right. You know, they're, because they don't have to be, they don't need, they don't need it. I mean, recruits come to them. Right. So it's like they're not gonna be on those platforms, so. Mm-hmm.

Breanne 23:10

Yeah. That's good to keep in mind. Okay. Parents what role should parents play in all this, and what role should they not play

Tonya 23:19

in this? Yeah, I love this question. So, I mean, it, it's, it's such, it's a little bit of a touchy subject. Cause I know that, like, you know, as a parent, as a mom, like you want to be so involved and you should, you should, but I feel like. There is like a certain role for parents in the recruiting process. I think one thing that a parent could definitely help with is like organizing, like helping their child organize, whether that's helping them organize the spreadsheets or the emails or their social media. Yeah. And things like that. And definitely supporting them through, I mean, moms are, parents are, you know, moms especially, are always very supportive, you know, for the most part. Mm-hmm. You know, definitely having that support. System, you know, cause recruiting is very up and down. I, I always, I always like to say it's not a recruiting process, it's, it's a recruiting journey because it's like, process seems so, like linear, like straight, like from A to B or A to Z, right? Journey is like A to M to B, you know, to back to Z. So, and it's a little bit up and down. So I would say, you know, organ, helping them organize. Helping, you know, obviously giving them support. Yeah, so I would say that's the parent role. I, I feel like college coaches definitely look down on like helicopter parents, you know, like mm-hmm. The parent who's hovering over their child all the time because they wanna see that the child is. Kinda independent of their parent. I mean, they wanna see that, you know, they have a good relationship with their parents and their family, but Right. The child needs to be like, independent as well, like being able to make their own decisions and, you know, being able to like advocate for themselves. So so I definitely wouldn't be a helicopter parent, like in the recruiting journey that's something that college coaches definitely don't like. Mm-hmm.

Breanne 24:59

Yeah, that's good. So don't send emails on behalf of yourself,

Tonya 25:03

right? Yeah. Don't do that. Okay. All right. Yeah,

Breanne 25:07

that's good. Okay. This might be a little outta the scope, but because you, I mean, you've worked with so many coaches too. You've seen kind of the other side, but I'm just curious your take on what, what are coaches looking for in recruits? Can you speak to that

Tonya 25:24

at all? Yeah, I can. So they're looking for different things. I, I kind of divide them into like, Well, they're called like, you know, tangibles and intangibles, so the tangible things they're looking for and depending on what level, but I mean, I think, you know, like they're pretty much all the same really. In terms of like what they're looking for from a tangible perspective is, you know are you a good athlete? Are you a good student? You know, can you compete? Can you play at the level that they're recruiting you at? Mm-hmm. You know, those types of like, Tangible things. And then the intangibles, I feel like they were even more important. Like, yeah, are you a good person? You know, are you a good leader? Are you a good teammate? Do you have good character? Mm-hmm. like things like that. I think sometimes like the intangibles get overlooked cuz so many people focus on The, well, I've gotta score, you know, I've gotta have like, you know 30 kills this game, you know, if I'm a volleyball player and like, you know, but it's like, yeah, that, that's, that's great. But I mean, if you have 30 kills, then you, you have bad character, then it's gonna, you know, it makes it a little harder to get recruited because the first call a college coach is gonna make, it's probably to your high school or your club coach. Just check in. Hey, is Susie, is she a good leader? Like, how's her character? Is she a good student? She a good teammate, things like that. Yeah, yeah,

Breanne 26:39

yeah. Those are so important. Yeah. I interviewed recently, my college coach. Oh, cool. Similar questions and Oh, that's awesome. It was, yeah, it was pretty fascinating and it makes sense. She was like, yeah, well, we recruit obviously, like exactly what you said. I mean, first, first off, we gotta make, can they play the game and, yeah, exactly. You know, there it is. Gotta be there. But then, Right below that, she's like, I'm looking at how are they treating their parents in between games. Yes. You know, what are they asking? Like, she even gave an example, like when I see a kid throw a water bottle at their mom and be like, Hey, fill this up. You know, she's like, okay we can easily, you know, she said, you know, is that something that I can take on in this capacity, knowing who else I have recruited? Yeah. Or is it like I don't have time to develop that part of her. Mm-hmm. And, and could, it could be easily a thing that would take them off the list. So,

Tonya 27:25

A lot of them, I'm, yeah. I'm so glad she mentioned that because college coaches are always paying attention, like at those tournaments. Mm-hmm. Like if you're, like, after you, you're competing or you're like in between matches or games or whatever, you're in the hallway with your teammates or with your parents. And if you're goofing off and messing around and like being kind of a jerk, like, and the college coaches, they're always watching. Yes. They're sneaky. They're always watching. That's for sure. Yeah.

Breanne 27:49

She said things like you know, recovering from mistakes and Yeah. You know what, like pressure situations? Yes. You know, are you gonna take, are you gonna take a swing when it's game point? Are you, yeah. You know, stuff like that. That's like, these are, these are all things that we can really be intentional about training. Yes.

Tonya 28:04

Body language too is very important. Mm-hmm. Like if you make a bad play, like are you kinda like, oh, you know, or do you like pick yourself up? Do you pick your teammates up? Mm-hmm. Yeah. All, everything. That's all, all that stuff is very crucial. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Breanne 28:15

Awesome. Well, wrapping up here, Tanya, where can we, where can parents find more resources from you? I know that you, you launched a membership recently that super valuable. Can you tell

Tonya 28:25

us all that? Yeah, of course. So I launched recently launched a membership, it's called Rookie to Recruit. It's for parents and for kids of all sports all ages, all, well mainly like, mainly like middle school, I would say like seventh grade through 11th grade parents with kids of all sports and it's called Rookie to Recruit. You can find the membership@rookietorecruit.com. And yeah, we have like, you know, group coaching calls. We've got. Modules. We've got something very special. I can't, I'm not able to say it, but I'm adding something. I was telling Brianne this earlier. Yeah. I'm adding something very special to the membership that is, I feel like it's gonna be a game changer, honestly. So, yeah, group coaching costs for the parents, group coaching costs for the kids. We've got membership portal training about recruiting in the membership. And the special surprise that I'm gonna probably announce in like two weeks by the time this is released, I'm sure, yes, by the time this is released, I'll probably announce it hopefully. So that's one place. And then the other place you can find me you can join my Facebook group. It's, you know, comp a complimentary group. It's it's just a, and maybe you can link to it. Can we link to the notes? Okay. Yeah. It's just college recruiting secrets for parents of athletes. And I know it's kind of long, but we can put the link in the show notes, I'm sure. But I, I go live in the group every Wednesday evening on a re recruiting topic for like 15 minutes. So,

Breanne 29:39

Oh, nice. So really, really easy way to get some, some good tangible nuggets. Yeah. Yep. Awesome. Well, thank you, Tanya. I really appreciate you taking the time and sharing your wisdom with her audience.

Tonya 29:50

Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's, it's been fun as always. Yes.

Breanne 29:53

All right. I'll talk to you later. All right, thanks.