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Welcome back to the raising unstoppable girl athletes podcast. I'm coach Bree and elite competitor coach for girl athletes. And I am so glad that you are here, whether you are a sports mom that is just getting started on this journey, or you have a lot of seasons under your belt. This podcast is for you to help you know, what to say and do to help your daughter navigate all that her sport is throwing at her with confidence. Get her to play to her potential and enjoy her sport. I'm really excited about today's episode. I am sitting down with Ashley Angelica. She is a full-time working mom to three active kiddos and a former competitive athlete. A little over a decade ago, Ashley and her business partner founded the new Orleans mom, a full fledged parenting website that later expanded to serve Baton Rouge and Lafayette. And she is a real go getter. And one of her daughters is a competitive gymnast. And so I'm talking with Ashley all about the world of competitive sports, specifically gymnastics. Tell you about how does essential that she is choosing to front-load mental skills, that by choice with her daughter before there's actually a noticeable issue, her daughter is actually very successful and has leveled up a lot and is not hitting up against anything currently. Yet she is still choosing to front-load mental training skills to prepare her for what's to come. We're also discussing how to navigate having a fairly young child in a competitive sport. The importance of constant check-ins. And with athletes since gymnastics and many sports that your daughters play require an all in attitude and how to balance a competitive athlete schedule with home life while keeping the overall family dynamic intact. So we go over a lot. I know that you're going to relate a lot with what Ashley is talking about, and you're going to walk away with some tangible tips on how to help navigate this. If you're in a world of competitive sports with your daughter, too. Now, before we jump in, I do want to give a shout out to someone in our community. Audrey is a mom of an athlete in the elite competitor program. And she recently sent me this text that I want to share with you all because it's pretty cool. She says, Bri, I want to thank you. Our 16 year old daughter needed some guidance to talk to one of her track coaches. And I pulled out your handout for talking to a coach. Such a blessing. Thank you so much for empowering her. Now what Audrey is talking about is. Our thrive under challenging coaches training and tidy elite competitor program. And within that small training, we have a guide on the five steps to talk to your coach because how many times have you. Talk to your athlete and you're like, oh my gosh, you just need to talk to your coach. And they're like, ah, no, thank you. Well, mostly that's just because she doesn't know how to go about that. There's a power dynamic, but we make it super simple in, that training and in those five steps. And it really takes some of the guesswork out of it for athletes. It gives them confidence because now they know how to approach their coach. They know exactly what to say. They have follow-up questions. It's really great. So Audrey, I'm glad that was helpful for you and for your daughter. Thank you so much for sharing that. All right. Let's get into this episode with Ashley. If you have competitive athletes in sports and you want to ensure that you're equipped with the skills they need for everything that's going to come their way without waiting for those issues to come to you then this is an episode you don't want to miss i hope you enjoy it as much as i enjoyed chatting with ashley

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Hi Ashley. Welcome to the Raising Unstoppable Girl Athletes Podcast. Hi. Glad to be here. I am really excited to have you on because Ashley is actually just about to jump into the Elite competitor program. She has not started at all yet, so we're getting her fresh and we get to hear the perspective of kind of where Ashley and her daughter Hadley are right now and what's. Allowing them to jump into the program. So let's get into it. Go ahead and tell us what your daughter's age is, what sport she participates in. I know you have multiple children, but I mm-hmm. Go, go for it. Yeah, absolutely. So yes, I have three children. All three are actively involved in sports. Both my husband and I grew up playing sports. So we are all very active and into Sports. So it's no surprise that we've got children in all kinds of competitive atmospheres. So our oldest son, Thatcher, is primarily focused on lacrosse, and then Hadley has a younger sister Chandler, who dances and also does gymnastics. But for the purposes of this conversation, Hadley is 10. She is a level six gymnast. And full transparency, we fell into this gymnastics. Journey. So I dabbled in gymnastics as a child, but really found my home more in cross country and tennis. She wanted to take a preschool class about four or five years ago, and one thing led to another, and before I knew it, we were looking at, you know, 16 and 20 hours a week of training and meets out, you know, out of state and everything that goes along with the sport. So, I didn't necessarily know what we were signing up for, but now that I am in it, I feel like I need to support her with all of the tools that I possibly can as her mom to, you know, keep her successful and happy and thriving. Wow. So that really went from zero to a hundred. Ah-huh. Yes. And it feels like it's happened really quickly even though she started on the competitive team four seasons ago. But it just feels like it escalates very fast if you have a child that loves it and is committed to it. And. You know, shows any level of, of talent if this is what they wanna commit to. It does get very serious, very fast. Mm-hmm. Correct me if I'm wrong, level six as a 10 year old seems high. It's pretty high. She is definitely on the younger age of competitors when we're at a level six competition. She's not always the youngest. It's, it's not unheard of to be nine or 10 and in level six, but she is definitely fairly young to have achieved what she has achieved so far and she's had a lot of positive momentum. And so for me it's about keeping that going to the extent that she's interested. In this. And I think as a mom, you see your child love something so much and work hard at something. And this is really about her and her journey. But if she's serious about it, I also am like, while I wanna keep you mentally healthy and happy in all of those things, because it's not an easy sport. And I think everyone inherently knows that. Mm-hmm. But when you have a child in it, you just. Start to realize how demanding it is, how challenging it is, physically, mentally, all of it. So yeah. And 10, like you said, is, is young. You know, she hasn't hit puberty yet. She's only in fourth grade. I, you know, sometimes jokingly after remind people, like when you're in fourth grade, you know, you're still a child and you still are doing Santa and the Easter Bunny and all of these, these things that You know, are very, there's a, a tension there between what they're being asked to do at a meet versus their actual developmental age. And I think sometimes even coaches can forget that. Not, not on purpose, but just because of what they're able to do physically. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we were talking offline a little bit that. Many times moms and and athletes that join the program are experiencing some sort of pain that is catapulting them. Mm-hmm. Into, you know, seeking the program. So either it's a mental block or coming back from mistakes is really hard. It's a pressure. Expectations how things not really experiencing any of those. So tell me, you know, why are you deciding that you're gonna jump into E C P? Yeah, so by way of my professional background, I actually run parenting websites with my business partner for a living. So because of that, I am online all the time. We're all digital, and I consume a lot of content online, particularly in the parenting realm. So between looking at a lot of gymnastics content and just talking to a lot of other parents, one of the trends that I have noticed is that, At some point, it's very, very, very common for, for girls in particular that are in cheer, tumbling dance gymnastics, to start to feel the pressure and lose skills or develop a lot of fears or start to just mentally unravel because. The pressure is just very high. Maybe they're trying to make a team and they know they need this skill by this date, and then the pressure of that builds and builds and builds. And I've seen that happen with a lot of girls that we are connected to either through gymnastics or we're school or just through my own professional network. So, mm-hmm. I've always been, I think, a little bit more in tune to different challenges of parenting because I talk to so many parents. Day to day in my profession. So when I stumbled across the Instagram for the program, I was really intrigued and I thought, oh, wow, like, this looks really, really helpful. And just, I, I started devouring the podcast myself and I could really relate to a lot of, of the challenges that other athletes and their parents were, were sharing. So I wouldn't say that Hadley has had no struggles, but thus far she really seems to have been able to manage what's been thrown at her. Mm-hmm. She, she typically is able to handle pressure pretty well. You know, if she has a mistake during a competition, she is a competitor that usually just gets right back up and moves on to the next thing. But, cause I have seen that. Not go that way for other gymnasts, in the back of my mind, I'm always sort of like, oh gosh. Like when is that moment going to happen for her? You know, when is, when is she going to have something that's really, really tough for her to overcome? And so maybe that'll never happen. You know, maybe, maybe she's a, a unicorn that never has that moment, but, but I'm not naive enough to think that every athlete goes through their entire. Sports career without being scared of something or struggling to get a skill or feeling that pressure or having it build to a point where they don't know how to manage it. Mm-hmm. I think because I have seen it happen to other athletes, some of whom I know, some of whom I, I don't necessarily know, but people that'll share that journey on Instagram. Mm-hmm. Or through other conversation. It's something that I feel like could be very helpful to get ahead of. I know I've, I've heard you talk a lot on the podcast about having the tools in the moment, almost expecting those things to happen. Yes. So then, you know, when you do fall, which is going to happen, you're not devastated because you, you expected that could happen and you have a tool in place to use. And it's not that she's never messed up in a competition. She has. She'll tell you all about it. Yeah. But as the skills get harder, And the competition gets more fierce, will she continue to be able to handle that? So I, I feel like there's nothing but good that could come from a program like this. Mm-hmm. And getting ahead of it. And I was, ironically talking to a friend whose daughter is in cheer just this morning and we were just catching up and you know, that's a very real thing in cheer as well. Girls start to struggle with tumbling out of the blue sometimes. Yes. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I just, I've always been a proactive individual, so to me I'm like, well, let's get ahead of it. Kind of like, you know, just taking care of yourself in general. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And that's actually what we recommend. You know, the program is absolutely. Helpful. You know, for athletes who are in the struggle, you know, they're, parents that are in the struggle. You know, it helps right away. However, we actually recommend, like, let's front load these skills, you know, let's give mm-hmm. Athlete the skills, knowing, like you said, it is not a matter of if, it's a matter of when she's going mm-hmm. Get something that she's really struggling with and that, because that's normal. It's part of being an athlete. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't think she's a unicorn. She's going, you know, but she's not, you know, the thing is, is will she be equipped to be able to navigate those things well now that you are allowing her to front load these skills. I would say yes. So yeah, you're, you're in the, the right spot and thinking ahead, you know, you got some foresight in her sports journey. So yeah, that's, that's my hope. I think it's a little bit like going to your well visits with the doctor or, you know, trying to exercise a couple of days a week. It's getting ahead of things before they become a massive problem. So that's my hope. That's really, and especially because she does love it. I don't see her. Giving this up by choice anytime soon. So if this is what she wants to do and she's in it, then to me this is no different than the 16 or 20 hours a week she spends in the gym. It's like you also need to focus on your mind to be able to stick with that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that. So she's spending a lot of time in the gym. Mm-hmm. A lot of time in her physical training. How does that, specifically being an individual sport and how much time she's putting into, you know, gymnastics, how, how does that impact your family dynamic? And the other part of that is how do you think this program might help that? Yeah, that's a really good question. So, like you said and I said it the beginning too. Gymnastics does get pretty serious pretty quickly in terms of the expectations and hours. So it is a big demand on her family. So what that looks like is Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, she goes straight from school to the gym and she's there until eight o'clock at night. So we really don't have opportunity to have things like family dinner. So, We can talk in circles about like how great it is. I'll sit down at a table and it's healthy for kids, but it's not our reality while she's pursuing this. So, you know, at the back of of my head as a mom, I'm like, oh gosh, like this does affect the other kids. Either my husband or I or sometimes we carpool, has to run out of the house at 7 45 at night. Often when it's pitch black, go pick her up from the gym, run her home. And then if I'm being honest, once she's home, it does become the Hadley show. And I've told the other siblings, like, now we have to do her homework and she has to eat. And sometimes I catch myself like, oh gosh, that might not feel good to them. You know, it's like y'all have to get your stuff done because when she comes home, she needs. A hundred percent of the focus because in fourth grade she also needs sleep. So, you know, those, those little intricacies of the sport, I think are challenging. It looks like every Saturday morning at 8:00 AM she's at the gym. So, you know, we don't mean to wake up the other kids, but I'm sure sometimes they do hear us, you know? And our, our schedule does revolve in part, not in full, but in part around that and, She's at a point where she's traveling for meets, and so oftentimes my husband and I will take her together. We both wanna watch her, we enjoy watching her, but it's not practical for the sixth grader to miss school. So I had a little bit of mom guilt about that. Like, oh, she's getting to go on this fun trip and compete, and her brother doesn't get to go, you know, what does that feel like to him? So it, it sounds a little silly, but I do, I do worry about that because, It's a sport that provides you a lot of opportunity that you get at a young age. Like with the traveling, it's fun for them. Mm-hmm. You know, and that's just not something that necessarily exists in every sport at that age. And you know, it takes up a lot of our family time and so, I, I wonder sometimes if they resent that, you know, and they get to do what they wanna do too, do not, do not get me wrong. They're, they're in activities as well, and we make sure that they get to do all of the things that they want to do too. But it's just not quite the same level of commitment or demand on the family. Yeah. And you know, I'm only familiar with what I'm familiar with, but I'm not aware of many other sports that are requiring that many hours a week at that age. So it's a unique challenge and. You know, we're just trying to navigate it the best that we can. No one gave us a handbook for any of this. Yeah. Which I mean, leads me to my next comment about, you know, the handbook thing. I, I agree with you. It's like we got a, a lot, I have books on my shelf on raising babies, toddlers, and then memberships all around that. And like, what's really cool about our program, and I don't know of any others like this, were. Half of it is for the parents. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you know, giving you a roadmap in a handbook to help you support her, navigate the sports journey and also, For your other kids too. Like you're gonna learn a lot in that side that's gonna help your other kiddos. So I'm really excited for you to jump into that piece of it too. And also be in community with other moms who are in the same boat, you know, literally in the same boat as in they are, they have athletes who are competing in gymnastics and have multiple kids. And then also just have been through it too. So, yeah, I'm really excited. Yeah. And I, and I imagine a lot of the mindset stuff, the mindset stuff will help the other children because they're gonna have their movements. Also, you know, lacrosse is a team sport. We haven't quite hit the mental part of that sport yet. That's a sport. You start a little bit later in life. We're just kind of getting into that. But for our younger daughter too, she's only eight right now. But I imagine that what we talk about and what you learn in the program, eventually I'll be able to apply with her as well. Whatever she chooses to stick with. Totally. Yeah. So one question that we get asked a lot is, well, a lot kind of How, how do you get your, your daughter on board with this? Or how are you presenting it to Hadley? In a way that she is gonna wanna be a part of it. So, one of the ways that I typically attempt to achieve buy-in from my children, if it's something that I think is important for them to do and this, this could apply to something even like making the right decision about attending a birthday party or, you know, something like that is I usually. Try to flip the narrative and ask them like, well, what, what do you think? Or do you think, for example, with gymnastics, if I ask her, do you do your conditioning every week? She's Yes, absolutely. Like, she's not gonna skip the conditioning that the coach has written because she knows that it affects her physical performance. So with something like this, you know, I have asked her, I've said, you know, do you do your conditioning every week? Oh, yeah. Do you have good attendance at Jim? Oh, yes. Are you on time? I mean, if she's not 30 minutes early in her head, she's, she's late, so, and she'll say yes to all of that, so I usually will try to root it in. Okay. Well, thinking about your mental preparation and your attitude and what you can control and the way you talk to yourself is just as important as you're conditioning and being on time and going to practice. Like if you show up and you have a bad attitude the whole entire time. That's not serving you well either. So I usually try to get consensus around the things that I already know that they might agree with me on. Which is kind of how we've had this con this conversation. And I think I shared with you offline, but she's done a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit of mental work in terms of, at the beginning of this year, we did a vision board together, which, well, she did it by herself, but I, I suggested and. You know, gave her the supplies to do that. And so you know, she's done a little bit of this to where I think she knows that that is part of it, but I'm hoping that this will really hone in and make it more concrete for her to where it's a routine part of her daily practice and, and mindset. Because I think she does this a little bit just by little things that she'll say, but mm-hmm. I'm hoping that the program will really solidify for her. Okay. Like, this is how I need to talk to myself. This is what I can control. Because, you know, noise creeps in all the time at, at practice or at a meet or from your teammates, or even some self-doubt probably starts to creep in. Mm-hmm. So I'm hoping that this will give her tools to lean on you know, for the long term. Mm-hmm. And to revisit is necessary because, you know, I don't think people do these things one time and then it's a magic. Six. I think you kind of always need to revisit it. Yeah, I'm glad you said that because we tell that to athletes all the time. This is a skill, just like your physical skills that you have to continue to practice. And so we build in their daily mindset routine and that's a a daily thing that they do. She'll learn that in the program, but then also having lifetime access to all of the trainings is really great because what your daughter is experiencing right now, like. You know, is gonna be different than when she, her body changes as she goes through puberty. Mm-hmm. You know, she's gonna be hitting some other, some other stuff and when she's competing as a 16 year old, but the, the skills and the strategies are there, but she's going to be able to internalize them in a different way and apply them to different. Things that are happening in our sport. So I know, and I, I keep thinking to myself, I'm not sure of it, anything like this. Well, I'm pretty confident it didn't existed when I was younger. I mean, I played, I played sports and I'm not sure, I don't know that we did any of this really, if I'm being completely honest. So I'm excited for her in that regard too, because the reality is that even when you're an adult, whether you continue to play sports or. Start your own podcast or launch a business. Yeah. Or whatever it is that you wanna do. A lot of it is mindset and Totally, you know, the way you approach the world. But I, you know, I don't, I don't think I got access to anything like this as a child, so I'm kind of jealous of her in that regard too. Yeah. Because I'm thinking to myself like, yes, this is meant to help you continue on with gymnastics, but if and when that's not for you anymore, then. You're gonna probably remember this and hopefully have internalized it, which I think is really, I think that's an awesome gift that we can give our kids in general. So I'm excited about it for that reason too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, you totally hit the nail on the head. And I mean, it is interesting because a lot of the moms that we have in our program are just like you, who are, you know, aware of their personal development. They're, they're just, you know, self-aware and want to continue to better themselves and have this mindset of. You know, whatever I wanna do I know is gonna be probably difficult and challenging in some ways, but the mindset around it is really important. And so, you know, I sense that in you and, that's why it makes sense that you're providing this for your daughter too, so that she can be equipped with those skills. As you know, in gymnastics and beyond, it goes well beyond gymnastics. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. So yeah, I'm excited for her. For me, I think it's really cool and. I know you and I talked about this offline a little bit too, but I think also a lot of times, this is for both parents of course, but you know, if your child does something super competitive, whatever that thing is, you also wanna preserve your relationship. Mm-hmm. You know, I've, I've been a witness unfortunately to, to a lot of parents that I hear saying things or. Yelling at their kids, like in baseball. It was particularly prevalent when my son was doing that, and I was just like, oh my gosh. Like, yeah, you're gonna still want him to talk to you when he's 22. Like, stop screaming at him, you know? Mm-hmm. So there's that piece of it too that I think is, is important. It's just the relationship beyond sports. Mm-hmm. Oh yeah, absolutely. And so, yeah, we bake that in to the program and provide a framework for parents to be able to talk to their kids in a really productive way with everything around sports. Cuz it does, it gets intense with the competitiveness and then ego gets involved and we want the best for our kids that they're, you know, an extension of us. And you know, it just gets really kind of messy in that way. And so, Yeah, we get, we dive into that, give parents scripts and frameworks around that. So for for sure preserving that, that parent-child relationship is so important. Yeah. I think it, like you said, it can, it can get intense very quickly and I think, you know, sometimes adults don't lack, or sometimes adults lack self-awareness and because they lack self-awareness, they don't even realize that they're possibly part of the problem. Yeah, exactly. So. Yeah, I love that. Back to the, I'm always running of the Taylor Swift, right? I, it's me. Hi. I'm the problem. It's me. Yeah, yeah. It's true, unfortunately. Yeah. I meant to ask this as you were talking about just how nutty your schedule typically is. But how are you planning to fit this in, knowing how much she's training? Yep. So the way her schedule is right now, we're lucky enough to where she has one school night off a week completely, which is amazing. And then on Saturdays, when she's done with practice the rest of our weekend, we tend to keep pretty open as best we can, just because I think downtime is really important. So my thought with it is that either one of those two days would be really good, one-on-one time for us to set aside calendar. It. And come up with a routine around that, whether it's after practice on a Saturday, kind of like a nice way to summarize and wrap up the week or midweek depending on, on what she feels like. I think based on the timing, this will probably carry into summer, so that'll make things a little bit easier cause her schedule changes. But I'm excited we're starting now because. She's headed into her state meet on Saturday actually. So, yeah, so this is kind of like the pinnacle of, of gymnastics season. So, you know, regardless of how that goes, then we'll jump into this and it's a really natural time ahead of summer upgrades and preparing for next season. It won't feel, I think, as overwhelming as if we tried to do this at the beginning of the season. So you know, We are frontloading these skills, but I also think that frontloading them at a time when she's not already super overwhelmed. Mm-hmm. Also made a lot of sense to me timing wise. I think throwing this at her in the fall while she was trying to get ready for her first level, six season would've been a lot, but now that she's got it behind her, it feels like the natural time to fit this into the schedule. Yeah. Yeah. That timing makes a lot of sense. So cool. Well, you have talked a lot about, you know, what you're looking forward to in the program, but I do wanna just ask straight out, what are you looking forward to most? What are you most excited about for the program? I think I'm most excited to see how this carries into what she does next. So, You know, she talks a lot about goals all the time. You know, she'll write them down. It's, it's, it's pretty cute, like on her whiteboard in her room or wherever, and I know she's capable of meeting them. You know, maybe it's a skill or maybe it's a certain series that she wants to get, but I just can't. She already has achieved so much, and we tell her that all the time. Like, you work so hard and like you're amazing just for working hard and being committed, but. I can't wait to see how this ideally catapults her just to another level of contentment and confidence and what it adds to her journey, because I feel like she's already been pretty successful. However you wanna measure that. I don't just mean scores, I just mean staying committed to a sport that I tell her that all the time. I'm like, Hadley, I don't know anybody else. Your age or very few girls your age. It would've stayed committed to this. You know, you've, you've, you've committed to it, and that's admirable. That's an awesome trait. So I feel like this is hopefully going to be like the icing on the cake, if that makes sense. So, yeah. And she's got these goals and it, so my point is I'm excited to see how this helps her achieve them. And I'm hoping, like, my big hope is that she connects the dot. Like, oh, how I talked to myself, for example. That made all the difference Today at practice it's a tough, it's a tough sport. A lot of these sports are tough and our kids are putting themselves out there and she's not a big talker. So that's another thing that's interesting. I have a lot of gym mom friends. I'm like, did you hear this about practice? And did you hear that? And I'm like, she doesn't give me much, but I also don't ask. Mm-hmm. I figure if she wants to share, she will, but she's just not a huge talker. So my point with sharing that is that I hope that she then can fall back on this internally, because I know she has her moments. Yeah. I know She's got moments where she's like, I'm scared to do that. She just doesn't say it out loud. Mm-hmm. Not as much as other people might say it out loud. So I'm looking forward to seeing how this translates in regards to that too, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's awesome. I can't wait to, we're gonna be following along with your journey before we go, I actually do have one more question, so Sure. As you know, and. No, this program is an investment and it's an investment of time. It's an investment of money, of energy. You know, it's, it is any way you, any way you look at it and it's investment. Mm-hmm. An investment. So what made this investment no-brainer for you? So I think to be fully transparent, it is because fortunately or unfortunately, I have seen what happens when. The opposite case is true and it, you know, whether it's your child or somebody else's child, it's heartbreaking. Mm-hmm. So I think it's heartbreaking to watch any human, but particularly a child struggle with something. So whether that's confidence or. Belief in themself, or it's specifically what I've been the most privy to are things like mental blocks or mental hurdles where one day out of the blue, a gymnast no longer wants to slip a vault, for example. Yeah. And it comes out of left field and the mom doesn't know what to do. And you know, different coaches handle it different ways, but I think because I have seen it, to me, anything that I can do to invest our time, our energy, Our resources into getting ahead of that. And, and not to say that it stops it, but at least you have discussed it and been given some tools in advance. So you know, I, I think I'm just too, I think when, you know, what could go wrong mm-hmm. Sometimes it inspires you more to get ahead of it. At least that's, that's the case for me. So that's really why it intrigued. Me not because she can't, you know, do a back walkover right now, but because I'm like, well, gosh, what if next week she can't? Yeah. You know, and I, I've just, I've seen the heartbreak that that is for girls not being able to do something that their body can do, but their mind is stopping them from doing it for whatever reason. So that, that's really what I think inspired me to be interested. You know, you can wait until it's a problem or you can just stay on top of your maintenance. I feel like that's true of a lot of things in life. So yeah, and li like I said at some point during this conversation too, I think when we all know our children the best, like I really do believe that. And so I think when you know that your child is truly dedicated to something in every sense of the word, and you, I tell people all the time, I'm like, you cannot force. This schedule on a child. Yeah. This has to be something that they want to be doing. And so when you see that they are that committed and invested and excited and they just, you know, she loves it. So I don't, I love that she has that joy and passion for it. And so I would love to prevent her from ever getting to the level of frustration that I've seen some girls get to. So if we can do something to. Keeper, joyful. Then to me that's worth, worth everything. Yeah, that's I love that. Yeah. The most extreme example I give is the, the swimming lesson thing, and my kids are in swimming lessons right now, and I'm like, yeah, we do swimming lessons so that they can know how to swim. I'm not just gonna throw 'em in the water and be like, I wonder if we'll need to teach this skill. No, exactly. Exactly. I mean, This is a skill that I think, I think more and more people are coming around to the importance of it. Mm-hmm. But you know, you wouldn't throw a gymnast out into a competition without training or teaching them the routine. Right. So to me, this is just an element of that. But I don't, I don't think, unfortunately, and I could be wrong, some gyms might offer it, but I think the reality is you run out of time and you run out of expertise. Yeah. You know, not, not every. Gymnastics or dance or cheer or volleyball. Coach is also trained in mental skills. Yeah. So they know. They know what they know and they're great at what they know. Mm-hmm. But I feel like this kind of a program is an awesome supplement to what they're already putting the work in at practice. Yeah. Cool. Well I am really excited for you, for Hadley, for really your whole family and we get to follow excited mom. I'm excited too. Yeah. Can you tell everyone where we can follow you on Instagram to kinda get it behind the scenes of how this is going? Yes. So the New Orleans mom, it's at the New Orleans mom is our Instagram handle. We also have a website. So I do plan to share this journey. I think that a lot of other families. Will benefit from knowing that this kind of a program is available, and quite frankly, even if this program is not affordable or something that a family can invest in right now. Mm-hmm. At least I do hope to bring awareness to the fact that this is something to think about. That you know, if your children are in competitive sports of any kind, This is something that's available to them. And obviously the podcast itself is a treasure trove of great conversation like we're having that I think parents can know they have access to for free. Mm-hmm. You know, to learn from other parents if nothing else. Like, so whether you enter the formal program or not, at least there will be awareness that there's programs like this out there and there's parents talking about this and. There's a different way than just, you know, getting frustrated and yelling on the sidelines. Yeah, sure. Which unfortunately is still all too prevalent in youth sports, at least in my opinion. Yes. So, yeah, so the New Orleans mom we will share what we learn from it and recap it for everybody so that, you know, hopefully other parents can take advantage too. Cool. Well, we are super grateful that you are sharing your journey with us and with everyone else. It's very helpful and hopefully yeah, like you said, people can benefit from that, so, well absolutely. Thank you so much, Ashley, again for being on the podcast. Can't wait to follow your journey and as you keep everyone posted on, on how things go. Thank you so much. I'm excited.